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tion. I have not been able to get all | Slattery's; that Slattery has no other the particulars. The man referred to employment or means of living than that was a sub-tenant, and he was evicted given him by his farm, and that his for non-payment of rent. There appear family are nine in number; and, wheto have been five tenants and four sub- ther, if these are facts, he will endeavour tenants.

to have a Clause introduced into the MR. PARNELL: Does the right hon. Land Law (Ireland) Bill to prevent such Gentleman know whether Loftus was evictions in the future? evicted by Mr. Moore, or by the tenant? MR. W. E. FORSTER: Sir, I think

MR. W. E. FORSTER : That I cannot the hon. Member is under a misapprotell.

hension as to the date of this eviction.

This occurred on the 6th of June, 1879,
FISHERIES-EAST COAST FISHERIES- before the existence of the Compensation

THE NORTH SEA-OUTRAGES ON for Disturbance Bill. I believe that the

rent was £60, and the Poor Law valuaMR. BIRKBECK asked the Secretary

tion £40. It is true that Slattery had of State for the Home Department, ment, and that he depended on the farm.

no other means of support-no emplos: Whether his attention has been called to the report of Mr. W. H. Higgin on of August, 1880.

He was admitted a caretaker on the 20th the outrages committed by foreign upon

MR. T. D. SULLIVAN asked the English fishermen in the North Sea; Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant and, whether Her Majesty's Government of Ireland, If it is a fact that, since the intend taking any steps with regard to rejection of the Compensation for Disobtaining a convention between Eng. turbance Bill, the Rev. Edward Denny land, France, Belgium, and Holland, has evicted 'a tenant named Dennis which is so urgently required? Before a reply was given to his Question he Dooley from his holding

at Milltown

more, Tullamaine, Fethard, co. Tipbegged the permission of the House to read the following telegram from Messrs. perary, for arrears of rent; if the rent

of said tenant was £95 and the valuation Capps, of Lowestoft:

of his farm £47 per annum; and, if the “The Warrior,' belonging to us, fishing last farm was in possession of the family of night, 30 miles of Lowestoft, had 15 nets and the said tenant for a period of about ropes cut away by a foreign trawler.

seventy years ? done with · Belgian devil. » SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: Sir, Her doubt the land owner was the gentleman

MR. W. E. FORSTER : Sir, I have no Majesty's Government have communi- described. The name of the tenant was, cated with the Governments of France, I think, Dennis Loomy, not Dooley. He Holland, and Belgium with a view of also was evicted in June, 1879. I beliera dealing with this matter; but they have the Question is accurate in other parnot yet received a reply to their com- ticulars. munications.


last part of his Question had not been EVICTIONS (IRELAND)–CO. TIPPE

answered. RARY.

MR. W. E. FORSTER: Sir, it is not MR. JUSTIN M‘CARTHY asked the customary to state, in answer to a QuesChief Secretary to he Lord Lieutenant tion of this kind, what steps it is intended of Ireland, Whether he is aware that to take with regard to a Bill before the since the rejection of the Compensation House. I must remind the hon. Memfor Disturbance Bill by the House of ber that the Minister in charge of the Lords, the Rev. Edward Denny Lynch, Bill is the Prime Minister. a landlord owning property in Tipperary, has evicted among other tenants a per- COPPER AND COPPER ORE–RETURN son named Thomas Slattery, from a farm OF EXPORTS AND IMPORTS, 1880. at Milltown, near Tullamore, Fethard, MR. W. CORBET asked the President Tipperary; whether it is a fact that the of the Board of Trade, If his attention rent of the farm was sixty pounds, while has been called to a Return issued to the Poor Law valuation was thirty-five Members on Wednesday the 18th instant

, pounds; that the farm liad been for of all Exports and Imports of Copper thirty-six years in the occupation of the and Copper Ore, &c." for the year 1880;

Mr. W. E. Forster

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whether he has observed that Ireland is plied with ; and, will the Local Governnot credited with any exports whatever; ment Board take steps to compel the whether he is aware that the “ Wicklow Board of Guardians to comply with the Copper Mine Company," incorporated Act of Parliament ? under the Act 26 Vic. c. 209, have for MR. W. E. FORSTER: Sir, I find years carried on mining operations and from inquiry that the order was made by exported ores from the port of Arklow; the Local Government Board, and transwhether such exportations have now mitted to the Board of Guardians. The ceased altogether; and, if not, whether present Inspector has been acting since he can state what is the reason for 1878, and has been re-appointed from omitting all mention of them from the time to time. The Board of Guardians Return in question ?

expressed full confidence in his efficiency, LORD FREDERICK CAVENDISH : and stated that when last appointed Sir, as this Return is prepared by the there was no answer to the advertiseCustoms Department, I have to answer ment issued by them offering to accept the Question on behalf of the Treasury. the post on their terms, and they think If the hon. Member will look again at it desirable that his services should be the Return, he will see that it only pro- retained. There is an order under the fesses to give the exports and imports Contagious Diseases (Animals) Act, that from and into the United Kingdom. It if from any sufficient cause it is desirdoes not profess to include removals able to appoint a person, the Lord Lieucoastwise, or from one part of the United tenant may authorize the local authority Kingdom to another. I have no know- to appoint a person not having the ledge whether or not there has been qualification of Veterinary Inspector, and copper or copper ore sent from Arklow it appears there was no other course to to England; but if there were it would adopt in this case. not appear in this Return.


of State for War, If it is the case that BARON HENRY DE WORMS asked

the 58th Regiment, which behaved so

gallantly and suffered so severely at the the Postmaster General, Whether, having action of Laing's Nek, is about to be sent regard to the far greater convenience of the public, and to the saving which to the unhealthy island of Mauritius ?

MR. CHILDERS: I think, Sir, that would be effected to the State, he will the House will agree with me in depreconsider, in conjunction with the Board of Inland Revenue, the expediency of Commons with the military authorities

cating any interference by the House of using the machinery of the Post Office in the selection of particular regiments for the collection of assessed taxes ? Mr. FAWCETT: Sir, the Question have to be detailed from the regiments

for particular duties. Three companies concerns the Board of Inland Revenue in South Africa to form the garrison at and the Treasury rather than the Post Mauritius, and the selection which the Office; but if either of these bodies have any representation to make to the Post general officer commanding has made is Office on the subject I need not say it approved by his Royal Highness and by

myself. will be carefully considered.


FEBRUARY 5, 1880,

MR. COBBOLD asked the Secretary

of State for War, Whether it is the case MR. LITTON asked the Chief Secre- that the provisions of Her Majesty's tary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, Warrant of 5th February 1880, allowing Whether the Local Government Board officers to count service given under the is aware that the order made by them, age of twenty as qualification for beneand transmitted to the Longford Board ficial retirement, have, under that Warof Guardians on the 3rd February last, rant, retrospective application in the case directing them to appoint a duly qualified of officers who had left the Army between veterinary inspector, as required by the the 13th of August 1877 and 5th FebAct of Parliament, has not been com- ruary 1880, after completing twelve

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year' service, above the age of twenty, officers hereafter so promoted, full
but have not such retrospective applica- vision has been made, insuring them
tion in the case of officers who had left sufficient pensions.
the Army between those dates, before
completing twelve years' service above

TELEGRAPH ACT, 1868–POSITION OF the age of twenty ; whether, if this is

TELEGRAPH CLERKS. the case, the distinction in this respect between the two classes of officers was

MR. BIRKBECK asked the Postintentionally made; and, if so, on what master General, Whether he will be able grounds, and whether he considers the to make any statement with regard to ground for such distinction sufficient; the position of the telegraph clerks and, whether he will take into con

before the Whitsuntide Recess? sideration the propriety of extending

MR. MACLIVER asked the Postthe privilege of counting service given master General, If his attention had under the age of twenty as qualification been called to the opinion given, on the for beneficial retirement to officers who 19th instant, by Mr. Attorney General

, left the Army between the 13th August defining the legal status of the telegraph 1877 and the 5th of February 1880, clerks, and whether he would adopt and before completing twelve years service act upon it ? above the age of twenty?

MR. FAWCETT: Sir, some days ago MR. CHILDERS: Sir, the Warrant of I submitted certain preliminary prythe 5th of February, 1880, to which the positions to the Treasury on the position hon. Gentleman refers, undoubtedly has of the telegraph clerks. These proposi. the effect expressed in his first Question; tions are now being considered by the but, as I am not responsible for that Treasury in connection with the Post Warrant, which was issued on the advice Office; and I can say on behalf of the of my

Predecessor, I cannot venture to Treasury, and on behalf of the Post say what intentions may have passed Office, that we are both most anxious tv through his mind. I have, however, re- arrive at a decision as soon as possible

. ceived representations urging relaxations As soon as a decision is arrived at I of the Warrant in the sense of the hon. shall make it known. With regard to Member's third Question ; but at this the Question of the hon. Member for moment I cannot say whether or not Plymouth (Mr. Macliver), I am sure the they will be complied with. Questions House will see that that is a matter with of the retrospective effect of new regula- regard to which I ought to have Notice. tions are among the most difficult I have to deal with.



MR. T. P. O'CONNOR asked the

Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant

of Ireland, Whether Mr. Eager, GoverMAJOR O’BEIRNE asked the Secre- nor of the Jail of Limerick, in which tary of State for War, Whether his at- several persons are at present confined tention has been called to the fact that under the provisions of the Coerciou officers who have been promoted from Act, is the same Mr. Eagar whose con the ranks will be most injuriously affected duct was brought under the attention of by the Royal Warrant intended to take the House of Commons on June 1, 1869, effect on the 1st July next, as these offi- by the late Mr. George Henry Moore, cers seldom obtain promotion to the rank and who on that occasion was stated by of commissioned officer until over thirty Mr. Moore to have harshly and cruelly years of age; and that, as many of them treated Mr. W. H. O'Sullivan, while have only two or three years' service, imprisoned in the said jail, detaining they will be compelled to retire without him for fourteen days before he was

allowed to see a solicitor, twenty-eight MR. CHILDERS: Sir, I have not lost days before he could write a letter, and sight of the point raised by my hon. and one hundred and twenty days before he gallant Friend, and when the new War- was allowed to see his wife and children, rant appears he will see that both as to leaving the said Mr. O'Sullivan with inofficers now serving who have been pro- sufficient clothing at night, compelling moted from the ranks and also as to him to wash filthy basins, to drink from

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filthy vessels, and to walk round a ring | tive Government, and that the regulain the prison yard in silence, Mr. O'Sul- tions were very strict in the matter. livan being a political prisoner never put There had been no complaint against on his trial either before or after his im- anything that the Governor had done. prisonment; whether, in the course of Mr. T. P. O'CONNOR wished to the same Debate, Mr. Chichester For- know, Whether Mr. O'Sullivan had not tescue did not admit that Mr. O'Sullivan written to the public Press challenging was treated "with an amount of severity Mr. Chichester Fortescue to prove that which was beyond the necessity of the there had been any exaggeration in the case; ” whether the same Mr. Eager statement of his case; whether the right did not punish the slightest breach of hon. Gentleman's attention had been the silent system by the political pri. called to statements in The Freeman's soners with bread and water for forty- Journal as to the treatment of prisoners ; eight hours; and, whether in view of and whether for 20 out of the 24 hours, these circumstances, it is in accordance prisoners were confined in a cell 12 feet with the present treatment of political | by 6 feet ? prisoners to commit the charge of untried MR. W. E. FORSTER, in reply, said, prisoners under the present Coercion he declined to go into a case which Act to persons exposed to such charges ? happened in 1869. With regard to what

MR. W. E. FORSTER, in reply, said, was going on at the present time, he had that he had really answered the first answered a similar Question a day or two Question already. Mr. Eager was now ago. He had no complaints brought Governor of the Limerick gaol, and his before him. He could not take notice of conduct was brought under the attention complaints appearing in newspapers of the House in 1869. But the hon. without any responsible authority. The Member quoted a speech of the then orders were that any complaints made Chief Secretary for Ireland, and he (Mr. in the usual manner would be thoroughly W. E. Forster) felt bound to call atten- and immediately investigated. tion to a few words that went before and after that quotation. Mr. Chichester PEACE PRESERVATION (IRELAND) ACT, Fortescue had said that it was

1881--LICENCES TO CARRY ARMS. Unnecessary for him to go fully into Mr. MR. O'KELLY asked the Chief SeO'Sullivan's allegations, but, after careful inquiry, he had ascertained that there was a large cretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireamount of exaggeration in his representations. land, Whether his attention has been At the same time his apprehension was that called to the refusal of certain magisthere was an amount of severity beyond the ne- trates in Ireland to grant licence to carry cessity of the case.”

arms to respectable persons on the Then Mr. Chichester Fortescue also ground that they had attended Land made use of the words that it was League meetings; and, if so, whether

"Worthy of remark that neither Jr. O'Sul- the Government approve of the action livan nor any other political prisoner made any of such magistrates ? complaints of treatment whilst in prison." MR. W. E. FORSTER, in reply, said, He (Mr. W. E. Forster) quoted those that he had practically answered that remarks, because the hon. Member had Question a few days ago. Under the only given part of Mr. Chichester For Peace Preservation Act magistrates were tescue's observations. He had no wish | bound to exercise a discretion in any

He must to attempt now to go into the case, which case brought before them. happened in 1869; but, having looked decline to lay down any general rule on carefully into the matter, there was the subject. If any person felt aggrieved, no doubt that the prison regulations of he had the remedy of applying to the that time were such as to require con- resident magistrate himself. siderable change, and changes had been made at the time of the passing of the POST OFFICE-THE MAILS IN ARGYLLWestmeath Act. He did not think that

SHIRE AND THE NORTH OF in the case alluded to any special blame

SCOTLAND. attached to the Governor. But he MR. MACKINTOSH asked the Postwished to state with regard to the pre- master General, Whether he has consent position of affairs that the Governor cluded any arrangements for expediting was under the supervision of the Execu- the mails to and from Inverness and



the North of Scotland, in consequence if the banners referred to were seized of the numerous representations made and destroyed by the police ; and what on the subject ?

steps, if any, were taken to apprehend MR. FAWCETT: In reply to my persons reasonably suspected of intimi. hon. Friend, I have to state that no ar- dating and inciting to violence and rangements have yet been concluded; murder; and, whether the perpetrators but the negotiations are now being com- have been since brought to justice ? pleted.


ply, said, he believed the events referred EDUCATION DEPARTMENT-HIGHER to were stated to have happened about EDUCATION (WALES).

six years ago. It was not easy to ob.

tain information about circumstances MR. HUSSEY VIVIAN asked the Vice President of the Council, Whether which took place so long back ; but, as he can state when the Report of the De- the facts stated in the first part of the

far as he had been able to ascertain, partmental Committee on Higher and Întermediate Education in Wales will be Question were without foundation

. No received ?

banners, therefore, were seized or de MR. MUNDELLA: Sir, I have com

stroyed, nor had there been apprehenmunicated with the Commissioners on

sions of persons reasonably suspected. Education in Wales, and I am informed that the labour attending the collection


HOUSE. and arrangement of the materials and statistics necessary for the preparation MR. THOMASSON asked the First of the Report and the examination of Lord of the Treasury, Whether he can the vast amount of supplementary infor- undertake at the commencement of the mation furnished to the Commissioners Session of 1882 to submit the Standing during the progress of their inquiry has Orders for the consideration of the proved far greater than could at first House, with a view by their revision have been anticipated. The task of ar- to economise the public time? ranging these materials is now nearly MR. GLADSTONE: Sir, we have not completed, and the Commissioners hope yet made sufficient progress in the preto be able shortly to present their Re-sent Session to enable me to make a port.

categorical declaration as to what we

may or may not do at the outset of next LAW AND POLICE-ALLEGED OUT- Session. But I must say that, with that RAGE AT GREENHITHE.

reservation, I am of opinion that the MR. DAWSON asked the Secretary its arrangements for conducting Basi

condition of the House with regard to of State for the Home Department, Whether his attention has been directed of the first magnitude, requiring the

ness now constitutes a public question to the statement contained in a circular earliest attention as soon as the state of the 12th May 1881 from Mr. Samuel Charles Umfreville, of Greenhithe, to the

of Business will permit. following effect :-That some years ago | POOR LAW (IRELAND)–ELECTION OF in consequence of his having obtained a true bill from the grand jury against

POOR LAW GUARDIANS AT BELFAST, the proprietors of cement works, the MR. BIGGAR asked the Chief Secrepeople of the works assembled with tary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, bands and having banners representing If his attention has been called to the himself and his solicitor in the agonies manner in which the annual election of of death. That the result of these de- Poor Law Guardians for Cromae Ward, monstrations was that his wife was in the Borough of Belfast, has been killed by the blow of a stone received conducted for the present year ; at her own gate. That the perpetrator true, as disclosed in evidence before the was never discovered. That persons magistrates at petty sessions

, in Belfast, who had signed affidavits in favour of on the 13th May instant, that the policethe claims of a poor widow to compen- man entrusted with the delivery and colsation, were visited by crowds and in- lection of voting papers at said election timidated and prevented from giving was guilty of grave neglect in the disevidence; if he can inform the House charge of his duty, by failing to collect

Mr. Mackintosh


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