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LORD RANDOLPH CHURCHILL MR. GLADSTONE said, the Governsaid, that, whatever had been the rule ment proposed to take the Bill toof the Government, they were certainly morrow, immediately after the Report unfortunate in their endeavours to carry of the Customs and Inland Revenue it out. He remembered that when the Bill. Motion on the Endowed Schools of Ire. land was appointed for discussion at an
ALKALI, &c. WORKS REGULATION Evening Sitting after a Morning Sitting,
BILL-[Lords.]–[Bill 119. the House was obviously and notoriously counted out through the influence of the
(Mr. Dodson.) late Government.
COMMITTEE. [Progress 2nd May.] MR. NEWDEGATE expressed a hope Bill considered in Committee. that the sudden announcement of Morn
(In the Committee.) ing Sittings for 12 or 2 o'clock the following day would not be made after 12 Clauses 3 to 8, inclusive, agreed to. o'clock at night. It was totally impos- Clause 9 (Provisional Order to presible that hon. Members could conduct vent discharge of certain gases in salt their correspondence and their ordinary works). business if they were not informed by that time at what hour the House would there was an Amendment down in the
MR. WILBRAHAM EGERTON said, meet next day. He remembered this had been the practice during a former name of his noble Friend (Earl Percy), Administration of the present Prime which, in his absence, he would move. Minister; and he trusted the House Amendment proposed, would insist that at an early hour of the In page 4, line 8, after “carried on," insert Sitting on the day previous they should or in any galvanizing or tin-plate works in be informed at what hour they were to which iron is treated with acid previous meet again. Unless this was done it receiving a coating of tin or other metal."-
(Mr. Wilbraham Egerton.) was impossible for private Members, or for any Member of the House, to con- be there inserted."
Question proposed, “That those words duct the necessary communications with their constituents, or to prepare them
MR. DODSON was sorry to say
he selves for debate. The result of violating could not accept the Amendment. He this understanding was the perpetual would not detain the Committee by dismoving of adjournments. Again, when cussing its merits; but would merely the Rules of Urgency were adopted by point out that if it were accepted it the House, it was provided that adequate would be extremely unfair to a great Notice of bringing those Rules into force many works in the country which bad should be given. That was the last pre- been given to understand that they cedent set up by the House bearing upon would not be affected by the measure. the subject; and he trusted that the There were a consideraðle number of House, out of self-respect, would insist these works scattered over a wide part upon
its observance, and that it would of the country which would come under never submit to Morning Sittings un- inspection if this proposal were adopted, less Notice was given before post time and a large additional staff of Inspecon the preceding day.
tors would have to be appointed. InTHE CHAIRMAN said, before the der the circumstances, although the reQuestion was put he should be glad to commendation of the Royal Commis. relieve the mind of the hon. Member sioners had not been followed, he hoped for Wexford (Mr. Healy) by stating that the hon. Member would not press the after a hard day's work he had only Amendment. succeeded in getting through the Amend MR. ARTHUR O'CONNOR said, ments on Clause 1. He had been work that at this hour-1 o'clock in the ing with the object of preventing one morning-and as they had a Morning Amendment killing another.
Sitting before them, he thought it ouly
reasonable that they should now allow Question put, and agreed to.
the Chairman to report Progress. The Committee report Progress; to sit Board appeared to be so exhausted that
President of the Local Government again Tomorrow, at Two of the clock.
he could not speak loud enough for any
hon. Members to hear him. [.“ Oh, I was this--that in the future an Irish oh!”] Well, he (Mr. Arthur O'Connor) Bill would have to make large demands had been unable to catch one single on the time of the House; and for that word the right hon. Gentleman had reason he (Mr. A. M. Sullivan), for one, said, and it must be confessed that the as an Irish Member, was prepared to Members of the Government were not remain in the House an hour or two the only persons in the House who were longer in order to help through an Engexhausted. He would move to report lish Bill which was desired by the EngProgress.
lish people. He was sure he was not Motion made, and Question proposed, appealing in vain
to his hon. Friend. "That the Chairman do report Pro
MR. WILBRAHAM EGERTON said, gress, and ask leave to sit again.”'.
that after the appeal from the Govern(Mr. Arthur O'Connor.)
ment he would withdraw his Amend
ment. It was the opinion of the ComMR. DODSON hoped the hon. Mem- missioners-Or so his noble Friend (Earl ber could hear him now, and was sorry Percy) had thought—that such a clause that the words he had uttered had failed as this should be inserted in any meato reach everyone in the House. As sure introduced on this subject. So far far as he and his Friends were con- as the Bill dealt with a certain class of cerned—and he thought that, on this works, however, it had his (Mr. Wilmatter, he could speak for the majority braham Egerton's) support, and he of hon. Members opposite--they were would not delay its progress by pressing anxious to see this matter settled. The his Amendment. clauses he was asking the Committee to MR. HEALY said, the hon. and go through were, substantially, agreed learned Member for Meath (Mr. A. M. to. He might say that with the excep- | Sullivan) must have a very short
memory tion of that now under discussion there if he thought the Irish Members were was not an Amendment to the clause he anxious to pass the Government Land wished the Committee to take which was Bill, which they looked upon as a most opposed by any hon. Member interested ) absurd measure. He would not ask his in the measure on either side of the hon. Friend (Mr. Arthur O'Connor) to House. He might say that all he pro- withdraw his Motion. What they had posed to do to-night was to go through to consider was, were they going to conthe Bill as far as the 25th clause, which sent to stay in the House until 2, 3, and was a contested provision. Under the 4 o'clock every morning? For his own circumstances, he trusted hon. Members part, whenever a Motion to report Proopposite would allow the measure to go gress was made after 1 o'clock in the forward. It was not in any sense a morning he should support it. Party measure.
It was a Bill in which MR. CALLAN said, that before the manufacturers and residents in the Committee went to a division he wished neighbourhood of manufactories were to say that, for an opposite reason to alike interested, both being anxious that given by the hon. Member who had that it should become law as soon as just sat down, he intended to vote with possible.
the Government. In his opinion, the Mr. A. M. SULLIVAN pointed out Land Law (Ireland) Bill was not an to the hon. Member for Queen's County" absurd " measure, and he would (Mr. Arthur O'Connor) that ho had had appeal to the hon. Member for Queen's sufficient proof that he had been labour-County not to offer any obstruction to ing under a misconception as to the any Government measure which could physical powers of the Member of the in any form or way delay the progress Government in charge of the Bill, and of that Bill. It must not be supposed appealed to him to withdraw his Mo- that many of the Irish Members-he tion. It had been clearly demonstrated amongst the number-abstained from that not only was the right hon. Gentle- voting on the second reading because man (Mr. Dodson) physically, but men- they considered the measure absurd ; tally, and in the best possible temper, and he wished to enter a most decided prepared to go on with the Bill. There protest against any such language being was another reason he would venture to used in regard to the Land Bill. suggest to the hon. Member why he MR. ARTHUR O'CONNOR said, should not press on his Motion, and its that after the very satisfactory, though unusual exhibition they had had of MR. DODSON said, the hon. Mem. sympathy and agreement between the ber's Amendment was to insert cement hon. Members for Meath and Louth (Mr. works in Clause 9. That had been subA. M. Sullivan and Mr. Callan), he was stantially agreed to in an Amendment not disposed to interfere with the con- already adopted, and the present protinuance of those feelings. Unques- posal was only a formal one to make the tionably, there was a disadvantage in words of the clause agree with the inproceeding with measures at this hour tention of the Committee. of the morning, when their Business MR. SCLATER-BOOTH failed to see was conducted in whisperz. Yesterday how that was so. an hon. Member sitting on the Trea- MR. DODSON said, the hon. Member sury Bench, distinctly and intentionally evidently had a wrong copy of the placing his hand before his mouth, had Amendment. conducted a portion of the Business in
Amendment agreed to. a low whisper, in order that the course he desired the House to take should Amendment proposed, meet with no opposition. In the lowest In page 4, line 19, after “gas," insert "ani tone that he could contrive, he had pro- in the case of cement works of any noxious or posed that the House should sit at 2 offensive gas.”—(Sir Sidney IVaterlow.) o'clock to-morrow; and it was not until
Amendment agreed to. the Speaker had refused to recognize such
Amendment proposed, an unusual proceeding, and had called upon the hon. Member to state his pro- shall take such steps as they may think fit ior
In page 4, line 28, at end, add, - The Board posal clearly, that the proposal was giving notice to persons interested of the promade known to the House. That was visions of any order made by them under this one example of the dangers they would section before any Bill for confirming the same have to face if they allowed the Busi- is introduced into Parliament."—! Hr. Dodssa.) ness to be conducted in whispers ; and it
Amendment agreed to. had taught him that it was always de
Clause, as amended, agreed to. sirable, when they could not hear what was going on, to propose an adjourn
PART III. ment of the discussion. The first short speech of the right hon Gentleman (Mr.
(i.) Registration of Works. Dodson) he had been unable to hear,
Clause 10 (Registration of works, and and he had said so to the Committee ; stamp duty). but after the manifestation the right
MR. DODSON said, he now rose to hon. Member had since given of the
move an Amendment which had been excellence of his physical powers--which he hoped he might long continue to him (Sir Sydney Waterlow).
put down by the hon. Member behind enjoy-he (Mr. O'Connor) was ready to admit that the President of the Local Order. He wished to ask the Chairman
MR. ARTHUR O'CONNOR rose to Government Board was in a position to whether it was competent for the right conduct the Business of the Committee. hon. Gentleman to move the Amend. As it was the feeling of the Committee ment of another Member without giving that they should go on with the Bill he Notice? The Speaker had ruled that it would withdraw the Motion.
could not be done. Motion, by leave, withdrawn.
SIR SYDNEY WATERLOW said,
the Amendments were put down very Amendment, by leave, withdrawn.
late last night, and they appeared in Amendment proposed,
his name by a mistake. In page 4, line 13, after “ discharged," to
THE CHAIRMAN: The hon. Mem. insert“ Also whether in any works in which ber (Mr. Arthur O'Connor) refers to a aluminous deposits are treated for the purpose Rule of the House which is not a Rule of making cement, hereinafter called . cement of the Committee. There is no preworks,' such means as aforesaid can be adopted vious Notice necessary. with respect to the noxious or offensive gases evolved from such works."-(Sir Sydney Water- Amendment proposed, in pago 4, line low.)
34, leave out scheduled.” – (Mr. Question proposed, “That those words Dodson.) be there inserted."
Amendment agreed to. Mr. Arthur O'Connor
Amendment proposed, in page 4, line jesty's Treasury may sanction, shall be paid out 34, after “work," insert i to which of money provided by Parliament." Part II. of this Act applies.”—(Afr. Amendment agreed to. Dodson.) Amendment agreed to.
MR. WILBRAHAM EGERTON
moved to add at end of the ClauseAmendments proposed,
“A person holding the office of Chief InIn page 5, line 1, leave out "scheduled," and spector, other than the person at the commence. page 5, line 1, line 8, and line 17, after * work,” | ment of this Act mentioned, shall not be
" required to be registered.”-(Mr. employed in any other work except by the Dodson.)
authority appointing him to such office." Amendments agreed to.
Question proposed, “That those words Amendment proposed, in page 5, line be there added.” 17, after “work," insert “not being an MR. SCLATER-BOOTH said, the alkali work." -(Mr. Stevenson.)
Amendment was worded quite differAmendment agreed to.
ently to that of which Notice had been Clause, as amended, agreed to.
given. He took it for granted that, as
it was now put, it referred to the office Clause 11 (Certificate of inspector of Chief Inspector; and he supposed prior to registration of new works. they would have an assurance that the
Mr. STEVENSON moved, in page 5, salary of the Chief Inspector would be line 34, to leave out "an," and insert something very different to that which " the chief." His object was to lay
he now received. the responsibility upon the Chief In
MR. DODSON said, the object of the
Amendment which had been proposed spector.
by his hon. Friend, and which he (Mr. Amendment agreed to.
Dodson) had accepted, was to give effect
to the recommendations of the Royal MR. STEVENSON formally moved, in page 5, line 34, after “inspector," to Commission that all the Inspectors eminsert "after his own examination or
ployed by Government should give their that of an inspector."
undivided services to the public. The Mr. R. POWER thought it but
only exception was in the case of the
proper that the hon. Gentleman should state very eminent person who now held the why he proposed to make this altera- office of Chief Inspector, and he had
always been in an exceptional position.
tion. MR. STEVENSON said, he had under
MR. SCLATER-BOOTH said, the stood no objection was raised to the Amendment. In explanation, he might him. IIe said he took it for granted
right hon. Gentleman had not answered say that this was a case in which a cer
that the Amendment applied only to the tificate was required before a new work
case of the Chief Inspector. The right was allowed to be registered. The cer
hon. Gentleman had now said all the tificate was, by the Amendment just Assistant Inspectors were to devote their adopted, to be granted by the Chief whole time to the public service. They Inspector; and he (Mr. Stevenson now
now received something like £200 or proposed that either the Chief Inspector, or a Sub-Inspector, should make the £300; but he had no hesitation in saying
would be three or four times preliminary examination of the works.
as large as now if they were to give all Amendment agreed to.
MR. DODSON said, the right hon. Clause, as amended, agreed to.
Gentleman was labouring under a mis
take. All the Inspectors except the (i.) Inspection.
Chief Inspector now gave their whole Clause 12 (Appointment of Inspec- time. tors).
Amendment agreed to. MR. DODSON moved to add, after line 20, page 6—
Clause, as amended, agreed to. “The salaries and remuneration of the in
Clause 13 (Disqualification of certain spectors, and all such expenses of the execution of this Act as the Commissioners of Her Ma- persons for inspectors).
MR. ERRINGTON moved, in page 6, report Progress in 10 minutes or a line 39, after "applies," to insertor quarter of an hour. in any other chemical work for gain.” MR. DODSON said, they would make The Amendment was simply intended to much better progress with the Bill if extend the definition of disqualification they proceeded with the clauses up to of certain persons holding inspector- the point he had mentioned, than if they ships.
stopped to discuss at what precise moAmendment agreed to.
ment they should report Progress
it should be found the hour was getting MR. PELL asked at what point it late before they reached the 24th clause, was intended to report Progress? they might then consider whether they
MR. DODSON proposed to go to the would report Progress. end of the 24th clause. Hon. Members Clause agreed to. would excuse him for reminding them that that was what he proposed at the
Clause 14(Powers of inspectors) agreed onset to do, and in doing so he stated there was no seriously contested Amend- Clause 15 (Facilities for inspection). ment up to that point. Under the cir- MAJOR NOLAN (for Mr. Dillwyn) cumstances, he trusted the Committee moved, in page 7, line 22, to leave out would allow them to proceed.
all after "shall," to "render," in line MR. CHAPLIN would be sorry to in- 30. It was very proper that the owner terrupt the progress of the Bill; but it of the works should be obliged to give was possible they might have to wait a plan to the Chief Inspector of the half an hour or an hour, or even an hour furnace in which he carried on his secret and a half, before they got to the end of process, and the Amendment was to sethe 24th clause. He must remind the cure that this should be done. right hon. Gentleman that, although
Amendment proposed, in page 7, line some of them might not be taking an active part in the consideration of the 22, to leave out from the word “ shall," Bill now before the Committee, there
to the word “render," in line 30.were several Bills on the Paper which (Major Nolan.) they felt obliged to remain for and watch. Question proposed, “That the words As they all hoped to be in their places proposed to be left out stand part of the again at 2 o'clock this afternoon, the Clause." right hon. Gentleman ought to consent MR. DODSON hoped the hon. and to report Progress at this point.
gallant Gentleman would not press
the MR. STEVENSON believed 10 Åmendment. If he would look into the minutes would enable them to complete matter, he would find that the Bill was the work contemplated at the rate of a Consolidation Bill of the Acts relating progress they were making.
to alkali works, and this provision was MR. PELL said, the right hon. Gen- in those Acts, and the marginal note tleman (Mr. Dodson) did inform them showed them where it was to be found. at the commencement that there was MR. GORST said, it was quite clear no cause for serious disagreement; but they ought to report Progress
. They since then
an Amendment had been had come to a very seriously contested moved which his right hon. Friend (Mr. point, and, therefore, he moved to report Sclater-Booth) declared would impose Progress. an enormous cost on the country.
Motion made, and Question put
, MR. SCLATER-BOOTH hoped his
“That the Chairman do report Prohon. Friends would allow the Amendments to go on, because really they were Mr. Gorst.)
and ask leave to sit again."most unimportant. The Bill was greatly needed, and, as everyone knew, was ori
The Committee divided :-Ayes 201 ginally prepared under his direction. Noes 108: Majority 88.—(Div. List,
MR. HEALY asked if the right hon. No. 214.)
not believe that the Government really MR. R. POWER said, he would sup- intended to go on with the Bill; and, in port his hon. Friends, unless the Govern- order to give them
an opportunity of ment would say they would consent to explaining their position to the House
gress at 2 o'clock ?