accept certificates from two clerks of the the actuarial value of the cumulation of peace for licences for the county Antrim the £1,000 a-year at the present time. portion of the borough of Belfast ? When it was found that difficulties

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR existed in the way of carrying out the IRELAND (Mr. LAW): It is a fact, as original intention of the Indian Council stated, that two Licensing Sessions are of making a grant to each of these offiheld in the borough of Belfast-one cers, it was considered desirable to subbeing held by the Recorder as the sole stitute for that proposal a grant of a Judge of the Borough Sessions, and the lump sum. other by the County Justices in that SIR H. DRUMMOND WOLFF: Has portion of the county which lies within the noble Lord any objection to giving the borough of Belfast. I am not aware a Return of all special military grants of any appeal ; but it is no doubt the made by the Indian Government to Infact that persons refused licences by the dian officers for the last 10 years? Recorder have applied again to the THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON: County Justices sitting in the town of If the hon. Member will give Notice of Belfast.

that Question I shall answer it.




CO. LIMERICK. the Secretary of State for India, Whe. ther any actuarial calculation was made of

MR. TOTTENHAM asked Mr. Atthe value of the annuity of £1,000 given torney General for Ireland, Whether, to Sir Donald Stewart at the same time on Saturday 21st May, the sheriff of the as the calculation was made with respect county of Limerick took a force of two to Sir Frederick Roberts; and, if not, hundred soldiers and one hundred police why this formality was omitted; whe- to protect him in the execution of certain ther it is not the case that, if Sir Donald ejectments and legal decrees in the Stewart had been treated on the same neighbourhood of New Pallas, county footing as Sir Frederick Roberts, the of Limerick; whether he neglected to sum granted for the surrender of his provide a sufficient (or any) staff of annuity would have been about £9,868, civil assistants, and had, in consequence, instead of £12,500, or that, if Sir to return without executing the ejectFrederick Roberts had been treated on ments; and, whether it is the duty of the same footing as Sir Donald Stewart, the sheriff to provide himself with such the sum granted to him would have been assistance; and, in the event of his about £15,827, instead of £12,500; and, neglecting to do so, whether he can be if he can state the reasons for which an

held liable for the cost incurred by the advantage was given to Sir Donald State in the collecting and sending out Stewart over Sir Frederick Roberts in of so large a force, which failed in its the sum granted to him, as in both object owing to such neglect of duty ? cases the recipients had been equally

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR adjudged, as a reward for their services, IRELAND (Mr. Law): The facts appear an annuity of £1,000 a-year for one life, to be correctly stated in the Question of a grant the value of which depends on

the hon. Member. The attention of the the age of the annuitant? The actuarial Government has already been called to calculation, he added, was based on 58 the matter; and on the 26th instant a as the age of Sir Donald Stewart and communication was addressed to the sub49 as the age of Sir Frederick Roberts. sheriff asking for an explanation ; but

THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON: as yet no answer has been received. The exact sum which Sir Donald Stewart would receive on his pension of

TUNIS–THE EXFIDA CASE. £1,000 a-year, if commuted at the pre- MR. MURRAY asked the Under Seo sent time, would be £9,478 if calculated cretary of State for Foreign Affairs, at 5 per cent, or £10,286 if calculated Whether Her Majesty's Government at 4 per cent. But, as I have already has any reason to suppose that the stated, the grants made by the Indian French Government has now retreated Council to Sir Donald Stewart and Sir from its position in regard to the Enfida Frederick Roberts were not precisely affair, viz. :

Mr. Biggar

“ That it was impossible under the circum- | Constitutionalists as well as that of the stances that the French Government could Potentate in regard to recent occurrences; consent to leave the Entida affair to the deci. sion of the Tunisian local tribunals" [Tunis, and, whether Her Majesty's Government No. 4, 1881, No. 40);

has any objection to express its symand, if not, whether Her Majesty's Gopathy with the Constitutionalists of vernment consider that they are fulfill- Bulgaria, and its earnest hope that the ing their duty to Mr. Levy in declin-country will not condone the violation of

his Constitutional oath by the Prince ? ing

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: Her • To interfere in the differenco which has Majesty's Government have received dearisen between the contending purchasers of the Entida estate;”

spatches from Mr. Lascelles containing

the views expressed at Sofia with regard and, also how circumstances have thus to the action recently taken by the Prince altered to Mr. Levy's detriment since of Bulgaria ; but they are unable to lay last February, when Her Majesty's Go any of the Correspondence upon the vernment checked the special action of Table without consultation with Mr. the French Government in the Enfida Lascelles. Her Majesty's Government atfair by the movement of H.M.S.

are not prepared at present to express "Thunderer," which were admittedly

any opinion as to the course pursued by made to depend upon those of a French the Prince of Bulgaria. ironclad sent to “ weigh in favour of the French Company?"


COLONELS. Majesty's Government are unable to say CAPTAIN AYLMER asked the Secrewhether the French Government have tary of State for War, Whether the retreated from the position referred to, fixed period of five years allowed to since no reply has been returned to the lieutenant colonels will under the new communication addressed to them by rules refer to all lieutenant colonels from Lord Lyons on the 4th instant, under date of promotion to that rank; or, wheinstructions from the Foreign Office. ther the five years' tenure of office will As regards the second part of the Ques- be counted only from date of attaining tion, the Papers before the House show to command of a battalion ? that while the Enfida Question was

MR. CHILDERS: The point raised under discussion the French iron-clad by the hon. and gallant Gentleman has Friedland was sent to Tunis, as Her been fully provided for, and the new Majesty's Government had reason to Warrant will specify what term "in believe, in connection with this affair ; command of a battalion,” and what whereupon they thought it desirable to term “in the two offices of lieutenant despatch the Thunderer to the coast of colonel commanding and lieutenant coloTunis. In the course of subsequent ex- nel second in command," will qualify. planations between the two Governments, it was stated that the mission of SOUTH AFRICA-THE TRANSVAALthe Friedland had no connection with PROTECTION OF THE NATIVE the Enfida Question, and both vessels

INHABITANTS. were withdrawn.

MR. GORST asked the Under Secre

tary of State for the Colonies, What BULGARIA – SUPPRESSION OF THE

steps Her Majesty's Government are CONSTITUTION BY PRINCE

taking to protect the native inhabitants ALEXANDER.

of the Transvaal against wanton aggresMu.LABOUCHERE asked the Under sion on the part of the Boers during the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, sitting of the Commission ? Whether he will instruet Mr. Lascelles, Mr. R. N. FOWLER asked the right Her Majesty's Representative in Bul- hon. Gentleman, Whether his attention garia, to obtain from M. Zancoff and had been called to a telegram from the friends of the late Bulgarian Con- | Durban in The Standard of that day, stitution their case in regard to the stating that the entire Transvaal was to arbitrary suppression of that Constitu- be given up to the Boers on their own tion by Prince Alexander, in order that terms; and, whether he could give any this House may have the case of the information on the subject ?


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MR. GRANT DUFF: I am afraid it ) 1 would be very far indeed from advan-si tageous to the peace of the Transvaal ti if I were to state from day to day what the Royal Commission is doing, eithere in regard to the Native question or any T other question. I had occasion the other E day to show that the Commission had a dealt most promptly and successfully n with the only Native question of any real b difficulty that had arisen. I was further happy to be able to show that the Boer ti leaders had acted with great frankness to and fairness in assisting our people in fi dealing with the question. I am sure h that it will be the opinion of the House that the Commission may be safely left tl to deal with ordinary questions with re- ti gard to the Natives as they arise. Of n course, if any question of real difficulty o arises they will consult Her Majesty's | a Government. I should like to take this opportunity of giving answers to those h Questions which were put to nie on Fri- a day by the right hon. Gentleman oppo a site (Sir Michael Hicks-Beach). Wet telegraphed as we promised, and we received replies. The first question was, b whether British troops had started forb the re-occupation of Potchefstroom, and es we have received the following telegram in from Sir Evelyn Wood :

tl May 28.-Escort and garrison for Potchefstroom leave here to-day. Cross border Monday. | tl Buller accompanies. Will not leave Standerton to until guns are received."

hi Our second question was

ir Is there any truth in report that Boer employment have been ordered by their Chiefs to return to their kraals, and that Natives in English employment have been warned to be ready to join tribes in case of war?" To that we received the following reply from Sir Hercules Robinson :

“ Yours 27th.—Lieutenant Davidson, heliograph officer so reports from Heidelberg: Wood W endeavouring to verify this and similar rumours to before reporting to you."

in In reply to the Question of the hon.

be Member for the City, all I can say is du that the terms and conditions, on which be local freedom was to be granted to the Transvaal have already been made

T known in full to the House, and that negotiations are still proceeding within CI the limits and upon the alternatives then co made known.

Iri MR. GORST asked, if the English no Commission in the Transvaal had power du and authority delegated to them by Her int




supply themselves with an article which, | laugh to this House. I am not aware in their climate and condition, is one of what influence he brought to bear in the necessaries of life; such tobacco to order to obtain signatures, and he states be retained for home use and not to be that the whole affair was a joke. I fail exported; it having been stated, on good to see any humour in this joke ; and I authority, that the moisture of Ireland have directed the same censure to be is peculiarly favourable to the growth of conveyed to this gentleman as I did last tobacco, and that it flourished formerly week to the promoter of a Petition in in that Country?

the opposite sense. MR. GLADSTONE: There has been no recent discussion on the subject of

MERCHANT SHIPPING ACTS-EMI. the growth of tobacco in Ireland, and if

GRANT SHIPS. the question should be raised, it would VISCOUNT LYMINGTON asked the undoubtedly have to be considered with President of the Board of Trade, Whereference to the Kingdom at large. The ther the inquiries which he promised to hon. Member is probably aware that for make relative to a letter in the “ Pall about 50 years the growth of tobacco Mall Gazette," signed “Charlotte G. has been permitted in Ireland, and that O'Brien," respecting the state of things its growth was protected by high dif- on board an emigrant ship, have proved ferential duties. We also know that the the substance of that letter to be correct; repeal of that permission was recom- and, if so, what steps he intends to také mended by the Commission of 1830, in- in the matter ? asmuch as the experiment was not suc- MR. CHAMBERLAIN: I stated to the cessful. At the same time, I regret the House on a previous occasion that on seeprohibition of any agricultural product ing the letter from Miss O'Brien which by law as very unsatisfactory. I am at appeared in The Pall Jall Gazette, I had all times open to the reception of any direted Captain Wilson, one of the offistatement or suggestion tending to show cers of the Board of Trade, to proceed that if that prohibition was removed we to Queenstown to inquire into the facts could satisfactorily levy the duty on the of the case, and that Mr. Gray, the commodity if grown at home as we do Assistant Secretary of the Marine Dewhen imported.

partment, who was in Liverpool at the

time, would also make an independent PARLIAMENTARY OATH-MR. BRAD.

inquiry into the subject. I communicated LAUGH-INTERFERENCE OF A GO- learnt from her that the vessel to which

at the same time with Miss O'Brien, and VERNMENT OFFICIAL AT WOOL- her description was intended to apply WICH.

was the Germanic, of the British Whito BARON HENRY DE WORMS asked Star Line. I have now received full the Secretary of State for War, Whether Reports from Mr. Gray and Captain he will take steps to inquire whether Wilson, and these show, first, that all some of the Goverrment officials of the the requirements of the law have been Arsenal at Woolwich have been using fulfilled, and even exceeded, by the their influence with the employés in the owners of the White Star Line, in their Arsenal to induce them to sign Petitions provision for emigrants; secondly, that condemning the action of the House of the general arrangements on this line Commons in regard to Mr. Bradlaugh, are at least as good as those on any and urging his immediate admission to other of the 10 lines which take emithe House; and, whether such Petitions grants from Liverpool and Queenstown have been sent round for signature during to America; and, thirdly, that these working hours ?

officers are totally unable to recognize MR. CHILDERS: In reply to the the state of things described by Miss hon. Member, I have to say that last O'Brien in anything which has ever week I ordered inquiries to be made existed on board the Germanic. Captain into the subject of his Question, and I Wilson was accompanied in his inquiries have learnt that it is the case that one by Miss O'Brien herself, and visited of the Government officials in Woolwich' with her 10 ships belonging to different Arsenal-a junior writer in the carriage lines. On the 20th of May Miss O'Brien Department-did circulate a Petition in and Captain Wilson visited the Germanic favour of the admission of Mr. Brad. on her last outward voyage, and on the completion of their inspection Miss This letter leaves me as puzzled as Miss O'Brien wrote a letter to the Chief Se- O'Brien. It is difficult to deal with cretary for Ireland, which she has desired statements of a lady who writes a sen. me to read to the House. This letter is sational letter one day, who writes a as follows:

month later what appears to be a quali“My dear Mr. Forster, - I have just seen the fied vithdrawal of the serious charges Germanic with Captain Wilson. 'As it is at contained in the first, and then a day or present, nothing can exceed the beauty and, two later another letter to say that her perfection of the arrangements. I can in no withdrawal means nothing because she way reconcile my former impressions with what must not weaken her standpoint-that was to-day shown us. I have, however, written to some of the emigrants who travelled on the is, a standpoint to bring further charges. Germanic on the 10th of March. If their testi- Miss O'Brien incloses in this letter a list mony is against mine I shall certainly withdraw of questions conveying imputations of a my accusations against this particular ship, serious character, which I understand to though not against the whole system, which I be directed against the ships of other look on as certain to lead to abuse, and as requiring legal alteration, Meanwhile, I am

lines; but the questions themselves con. much puzzled. — Yours very truly, C. G. tain no precise indication as to the parO'BRIEN.”

ticular vessel to which they refer. I am I am informed by the owners of the having these questions examined, in the Germanic that the arrangements on the hope of obtaining positive information Germanic that the arrangements on the with respect to them, and I am carefully 20th of May were precisely similar in considering the whole subject, with a character to those in use when Miss O'Brien first saw the vessel on the 10th ment can be made in the existing prac

view of seeing whether any improveof March, and this statement is con

tice or law; but, meanwhile, I have to firmed by the emigration officer, who cleared the vessel on both occasions." I say, in answer to the noble Lord, that, ought to add, with reference to a state

in my opinion, the letter in The Pall Mall ment in Miss O'Brien’s first letter, to of things on board the Germanic on the

Gazette professing to describe the state the effect that the Germanic, which was

10th of March was not correct in subsupposed to carry 1,000 steerage pas

carried on one voyage last year sengers,

stance. 1,775 emigrants, that, as a matter of New York have found indictments against

MR. PARNELL: The Grand Jury at fact, the largest number of steerage British and other steamships which were passengers carried by the Germanic in any one voyage during 1880 was 864, tleman received any information with re

overcrowded. Has the right hon. Genor less than one-half the number men- gard to this statement from the British tioned by Miss O'Brien. On the occa- Consulate in New York, and will he make sion of Miss O'Brien's visit the number carried was only 365. I should have


into the matter?

MR. CHAMBERLAIN: I will make been glad to leave the matter here, but I have since received a letter from 'Miss inquiries into the matter with pleasure ; O'Brien which I am totally unable to tion on the matter.

but I have received no special informaexplain. In this letter, which is not dated, she says

Mr. T. P. O'CONNOR : Within the

next two or three days I will put a Ques“My letter to Mr. Forster, which Captain tion on the Paper with reference to the Wilson and Mr. Graves saw, really means same subject. I have received a lotter nothing. Mr. Forster has the letter, which from Boston, from an ex-constituent of states that the present arrangements, as shown on the 19th were excellent, that I was unable mine, who was not and could not be in to reconcile them with what I had previously communication with Miss O'Brien, and seen; but that I had written to some emigrants who gives a picture of female emigrants of the date in question to ascertain their testi- almost corresponding with hers. mony. I should wish my letter in its own words to be read in Parliament, as I distinctly EDUCATION (IRELANI)) — DEGREES BY do not withdraw my former letter ; but I do not wish to press it against the Germanic, as I

TITEOLOGICAL COLLEGES. have now plenty of evidence against the system MR. BERESFORD HOPE asked the under Captain Wilson's testimony. I expect First Lord of the Treasury, Whether he soon to be in possession of further evidence; but I must take no step that would weaken my

can assure the House that, in case any present standpoint, as any appearance of going Theological Colleges in Ireland are emback on my first letter would do."

powered to grant degrees in divinity Mr. Chamberlain

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