MR. GRANT DUFF: I am afraid it | N would be very far indeed from advantageous to the peace of the Transvaal t if I were to state from day to day what the Royal Commission is doing, either e in regard to the Native question or any T other question. I had occasion the other H day to show that the Commission had a dealt most promptly and successfully n with the only Native question of any real b difficulty that had arisen. I was further happy to be able to show that the Boer ti leaders had acted with great frankness ta and fairness in assisting our people in fi dealing with the question. I am sure h that it will be the opinion of the House that the Commission may be safely left th to deal with ordinary questions with re- t gard to the Natives as they arise. Of h course, if any question of real difficulty o arises they will consult Her Majesty's Government. I should like to take this opportunity of giving answers to those h Questions which were put to me on Fri- a day by the right hon. Gentleman oppo- a site (Sir Michael Hicks-Beach). We th telegraphed as we promised, and we re- E ceived replies. The first question was, b whether British troops had started for b the re-occupation of Potchefstroom, and es we have received the following telegram in from Sir Evelyn Wood:tl

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supply themselves with an article which, | laugh to this House. I am not aware in their climate and condition, is one of what influence he brought to bear in the necessaries of life; such tobacco to order to obtain signatures, and he states be retained for home use and not to be that the whole affair was a joke. I fail exported; it having been stated, on good to see any humour in this joke ; and I authority, that the moisture of Ireland have directed the same censure to be is peculiarly favourable to the growth of conveyed to this gentleman as I did last tobacco, and that it flourished formerly week to the promoter of a Petition in in that Country?

the opposite sense. MR. GLADSTONE: There has been no recent discussion on the subject of

MERCHANT SHIPPING ACTS-EMI. the growth of tobacco in Ireland, and if

GRANT SHIPS. the question should be raised, it would VISCOUNT LYMINGTON asked the undoubtedly have to be considered with President of the Board of Trade, Whereference to the Kingdom at large. The ther the inquiries which he promised to hon. Member is probably aware that for make relative to a letter in the “ Pall about 50 years the growth of tobacco Mall Gazette," signed “Charlotte G. has been permitted in Ireland, and that O'Brien," respecting the state of things its growth was protected by high dif- on board an emigrant ship, have proved ferential duties. We also know that the the substance of that letter to be correct; repeal of that permission was recom- and, if so, what steps he intends to také mended by the Commission of 1830, in- in the matter ? asmuch as the experiment was not suc- MR. CHAMBERLAIN: I stated to the cessful. At the same time, I regret the House on a previous occasion that on seeprohibition of any agricultural product ing the letter from Miss O'Brien which by law as very unsatisfactory. I am at appeared in The Pall Jall Gazette, I had all times open to the reception of any direted Captain Wilson, one of the offistatement or suggestion tending to show cers of the Board of Trade, to proceed that if that prohibition was removed we to Queenstown to inquire into the facts could satisfactorily levy the duty on the of the case, and that Mr. Gray, the commodity if grown at home as we do Assistant Secretary of the Marine Dewhen imported.

partment, who was in Liverpool at the

time, would also make an independent PARLIAMENTARY OATH-MR. BRAD.

inquiry into the subject. I communicated LAUGH-INTERFERENCE OF A GO- learnt from her that the vessel to which

at the same time with Miss O'Brien, and VERNMENT OFFICIAL AT WOOL- her description was intended to apply WICH.

was the Germanic, of the British Whito BARON HENRY DE WORMS asked Star Line. I have now received full the Secretary of State for War, Whether Reports from Mr. Gray and Captain he will take steps to inquire whether Wilson, and these show, first, that all some of the Goverrment officials of the the requirements of the law have been Arsenal at Woolwich have been using fulfilled, and even exceeded, by the their influence with the employés in the owners of the White Star Line, in their Arsenal to induce them to sign Petitions provision for emigrants; secondly, that condemning the action of the House of the general arrangements on this line Commons in regard to Mr. Bradlaugh, are at least as good as those on any and urging his immediate admission to other of the 10 lines which take emithe House; and, whether such Petitions grants from Liverpool and Queenstown have been sent round for signature during to America; and, thirdly, that these working hours ?

officers are totally unable to recognize MR. CHILDERS: In reply to the the state of things described by Miss hon. Member, I have to say that last O'Brien in anything which has ever week I ordered inquiries to be made existed on board the Germanic. Captain into the subject of his Question, and I Wilson was accompanied in his inquiries have learnt that it is the case that one by Miss O'Brien herself, and visited of the Government officials in Woolwich' with her 10 ships belonging to different Arsenal-a junior writer in the carriage lines. On the 20th of May Miss O'Brien Department-did circulate a Petition in and Captain Wilson visited the Germanic favour of the admission of Mr. Brad. on her last outward voyage, and on the completion of their inspection Miss This letter leaves me as puzzled as Miss O'Brien wrote a letter to the Chief Se- O'Brien. It is difficult to deal with cretary for Ireland, which she has desired statements of a lady who writes a sen. me to read to the House. This letter is sational letter one day, who writes a as follows:

month later what appears to be a quali“My dear Mr. Forster, - I have just seen the fied vithdrawal of the serious charges Germanic with Captain Wilson. 'As it is at contained in the first, and then a day or present, nothing can exceed the beauty and, two later another letter to say that her perfection of the arrangements. I can in no withdrawal means nothing because she way reconcile my former impressions with what must not weaken her standpoint-that was to-day shown us. I have, however, written to some of the emigrants who travelled on the is, a standpoint to bring further charges. Germanic on the 10th of March. If their testi- Miss O'Brien incloses in this letter a list mony is against mine I shall certainly withdraw of questions conveying imputations of a my accusations against this particular ship, serious character, which I understand to though not against the whole system, which I be directed against the ships of other look on as certain to lead to abuse, and as requiring legal alteration, Meanwhile, I am

lines; but the questions themselves con. much puzzled. — Yours very truly, C. G. tain no precise indication as to the parO'BRIEN.”

ticular vessel to which they refer. I am I am informed by the owners of the having these questions examined, in the Germanic that the arrangements on the hope of obtaining positive information Germanic that the arrangements on the with respect to them, and I am carefully 20th of May were precisely similar in considering the whole subject, with a character to those in use when Miss O'Brien first saw the vessel on the 10th ment can be made in the existing prac

view of seeing whether any improveof March, and this statement is con

tice or law; but, meanwhile, I have to firmed by the emigration officer, who cleared the vessel on both occasions." I say, in answer to the noble Lord, that, ought to add, with reference to a state

in my opinion, the letter in The Pall Mall ment in Miss O'Brien’s first letter, to of things on board the Germanic on the

Gazette professing to describe the state the effect that the Germanic, which was

10th of March was not correct in subsupposed to carry 1,000 steerage pas

carried on one voyage last year sengers,

stance. 1,775 emigrants, that, as a matter of New York have found indictments against

MR. PARNELL: The Grand Jury at fact, the largest number of steerage British and other steamships which were passengers carried by the Germanic in any one voyage during 1880 was 864, tleman received any information with re

overcrowded. Has the right hon. Genor less than one-half the number men- gard to this statement from the British tioned by Miss O'Brien. On the occa- Consulate in New York, and will he make sion of Miss O'Brien's visit the number carried was only 365. I should have


into the matter?

MR. CHAMBERLAIN: I will make been glad to leave the matter here, but I have since received a letter from 'Miss inquiries into the matter with pleasure ; O'Brien which I am totally unable to tion on the matter.

but I have received no special informaexplain. In this letter, which is not dated, she says

Mr. T. P. O'CONNOR : Within the

next two or three days I will put a Ques“My letter to Mr. Forster, which Captain tion on the Paper with reference to the Wilson and Mr. Graves saw, really means same subject. I have received a lotter nothing. Mr. Forster has the letter, which from Boston, from an ex-constituent of states that the present arrangements, as shown on the 19th were excellent, that I was unable mine, who was not and could not be in to reconcile them with what I had previously communication with Miss O'Brien, and seen; but that I had written to some emigrants who gives a picture of female emigrants of the date in question to ascertain their testi- almost corresponding with hers. mony. I should wish my letter in its own words to be read in Parliament, as I distinctly EDUCATION (IRELANI)) — DEGREES BY do not withdraw my former letter ; but I do not wish to press it against the Germanic, as I

TITEOLOGICAL COLLEGES. have now plenty of evidence against the system MR. BERESFORD HOPE asked the under Captain Wilson's testimony. I expect First Lord of the Treasury, Whether he soon to be in possession of further evidence; but I must take no step that would weaken my

can assure the House that, in case any present standpoint, as any appearance of going Theological Colleges in Ireland are emback on my first letter would do."

powered to grant degrees in divinity Mr. Chamberlain

provision shall be made that such de- SIR WILLIAM HARCOURT, in regrees shall only be given to persons who ply, said, that the Question raised by have already graduated in arts at some the hon. and gallant Gentleman was University, so as to ensure an adequate deserving of attention, but did not lie standard of literary proficiency on the in his Department. It really rested part of persons graduating in divinity ? | with the Postmaster General and the MR. GLADSTONE: There is a plan authorities having control

over the before the Government for constituting streets. He would refer the hon. and a body in Ireland for granting degrees gallant Member to the Telegraph Act in Divinity in connection with the Pres- of 1862 if he wished for information byterian Communion. I am not able to with regard to the control over telegraph say the precise security we shall take wires. that the degrees shall be granted in connection with a proper standard of

LIFE ASSURANCE COMPANIES' ACT, attainment in other matters; but the

1870-RETURNS. subject is well worthy of consideration, and will be duly weighed.

SIR HENRY TYLER asked the Pre

sident of the Board of Trade, Whether ARMY ORGANIZATION WARRANT it is desirable to publish (for instance)

OFFICERS OF THE ROYAL ENGI. in the Blue Book of this year, the ReNEERS.


published by so many Life AssurSir HENRY TYLER asked the $e- and, to proceed on the same system, by

ance Companies the same time last year, cretary of State for War, Whether he which the Returns for the past year, and will be so good, in his new scheme, to for the past quinquennial period, pubconsider the question of giving the rank lished this spring, would next spring of Warrant Officer to First Class Military Foremen and First Class Staff it would not be possible to include in

in the Blue Book; and, whether

appear Clerks of the Royal Engineers, so as to the Blue Book for each year those Replace them on an equality in this respect turns printed and published by the with Master Gunners ?

MR. CHILDERS: In reply to the Companies in the early portion of that Question just put to me, I can only say that, while reluctant to give driblets of the changes suggested by the hon. and

MR. CHAMBERLAIN: I think that information as to a scheme the full details of which will shortly be before gallant Member cannot be legally efthe House, I believe that the hon. and Assurance Companies' Act, 1870, ro

fected. The 24th section of the Life gallant Gentleman will be quite satisfied as to the classes of non-commissioned quires the Board of Trade to lay before

Parliament all Returns deposited with officers in which he is interested.

it during the preceding year. POST OFFICE-TELEGRAPH WIRES (METROPOLIS).


TION OF ACCOUNTS. SIR HENRY TYLER asked the Se. cretary of State for the Home Depart- MR. A. GRANT asked the Postmaster ment, 'Whether his attention has been General, Whether, in making his ardrawn to the continually increasing and rangements for the introduction of the apparently unlimited development of Parcel Post, he will consider if it is webs of wires stretched tightly over the practicable to connect with it the systhoroughfares of the Metropolis; to the tem, as followed in Germany, whereby periodical deterioration of strength in the Post Office undertakes to collect, on those wires from the action of the atmos- account of the sender, the amount stated phere; to the danger that would arise, in an invoice accompanying the parcel, with probable loss of life, from the frac before giving delivery of the goods ? ture of any one of those wires; to the Me. FAWCETT, in reply, said, that, constantly augmenting risk consequently after giving the subject careful consideoccasioned, especially in many of the ration, he regretted to find that there principal thoroughfares; and, whether were serious difficulties in the way of he will consider the question of pro- such a scheme as was suggested in the viding against such danger?

Question of the hon. Member.

year ?


GOVERNMENT. of State for India, If he will state the MR. ANDERSON asked the Under reasons why the present Viceroy has for Secretary of State for the Colonies, If the first time prohibited public preach the new loan of two millions for the ing by Protestant missionaries in Cal. Cape Government, just announced by cutta ?

the Crown agents for the Colonies, is THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON, being issued under instructions of Her in reply, said, that he had asked the Majesty's Government; and, if he is hon. Member on Friday to postpone his yet in a position to say whether the Question. To had, at the same time, Cape Government is a corporation that asked the hon. Member whether he had can be sued; and, if not, whether he is any information on the subject beyond satisfied that the giving instructions certain telegrams which had appeared would not of itself carry responsibility, in the newspapers. He understood the failing other remedy? hon. Member had no further informa- MR. GRANT DUFF: To the first tion. He had, on the former occasion, Question my reply must be in the negapointed out to the hon. Member that the tive. The loan is issued, as the prostatements in those telegrams did not spectus shows, on behalf of the Cape correspond with what was contained in Government under an Act of the Colohis Question. The statement that he nial Parliament. In reply to the second himself had seen was to the effect that Question, I have to say that I am not any action which had been taken in the yet in a position to add anything to matter had been taken by the police what I said on the 2nd of this month. under the instructions of the law au- As to the third Question, I have to thorities, and not in any way by the repeat that the Imperial Government direction of the Viceroy of India. He undertakes no responsibility for this or had no further information on the mat- any such loan, direct or indirect. I ter, and had no reason to believe that have further to remind my hon. Friend either the Viceroy or the Government of that I promised Papers on this subject India had taken any steps in the matter. as soon as possible. ROYAL HIBERNIAN MILITARY STATE OF IRELAND-DUNGARVAN SCHOOL.

WORKHOUSE. MR. MELDON asked the Secretary

MR. R. POWER asked Mr. Attorney of State for War, Whether the Royal General for Ireland, If it is true that on Hibernian Military School is incorpo- the 12th instant a body of police entered rated by Charter, or how otherwise ; the workhouse at Dungarvan without and, if by Charter, the date of same; assigning any reason for so doing ; that whether there is any objection to lay they remained there while the board Copy of the Charter of Incorporation was sitting; and, if he can give any upon the Table of the House; and, reason for so unusual a proceeding? whether the office of Commandant, and THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FUR other superior officers of the School, are IRELAND (Mr. Law): It is not a fact Civil or Military appointments or not; that the police entered the workhouse and what are the rules regulating the at Dungarvan on the 12th instant, and status and rank of such officers ?

remained there while the board was sitMR. CHILDERS: In reply to my ting. What really occurred was this. hon. and learned Friend, I have to state On the occasion in question there was that the Royal Hibernian School is in- an election being held for the clerkship corporated by a Charter dated Septem- of tho Dungarvan Union. One of the ber 8, 1871, and I presume that my candidates was put forward by the Land right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary League, and a good deal of excitement for Ireland will have no objection to existed. It was thought that a demonlaying a copy on the Table. The duties stration might be attempted by the of the Commandant, Adjutant, and crowd outside the work house against medical officer are mainly civil, al- some of the Guardians when proceeding though technically for certain purposes to vote, and it was therefore deemed these officers have a military character. advisable to take the usual course of

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