Egan." I am speaking now without become the bitterest enemies. any communication with Mr. Egan, and member when Mr. Patrick Egan and entirely without an authority from him; the hon. Member for Mayo were fraterbut, of course, the House has no evi- nal brothers, and I must say they were dence beforeit-[“Oh!”]-ithas no legal Arcades ambo. evidence as to who the letter was written MR. O'CONNOR POWER: While I by; the only evidence in the possession sincerely offer my thanks to my hon. of the House is that The Freeman's Friend the Member for Galway, who Journal of the date named contained has drawn the attention of the House to such a letter. Of course, if the House this subject, I sufficiently sympathize considers it desirable to treat the public with the hon. Gentleman who has just cation of such a letter as a Breach of sat down to enable me to say that I do Privilege I shall not object for my own not require any Resolution of this House part; but I will only say that upon in vindication either of my public or other occasions when Irish Members personal character. I regret as much have brought forward much more libel- as anyone that it should be necessary to lous matter published by English news- call the attention of the House to a papers against Irish Members the House question of this kind; and I should be has always refused to treat it as a Breach very reluctant to fetter, in the slightest of Privilege, and has either passed on to degree, legitimate public criticism. If the Order of Business or set the question the letter of Mr. Patrick Egan were not aside in some indirect fashion. But, of an official document, stamped with the course, if the hon. Member wishes to bring official sanction of an organization which the editor of The Freeman to the Bar for is presided over by the hon. Member for publishing the letter, I am sure he will the City of Cork (Mr. Parnell), and of not evade the responsibility involved in which many of my hon. Colleagues who such publication; and when my friend are now sitting close to me are members Mr. Egan is attacked by a direct Motion of the Executive Body, I, too, should I am quite sure that he also will duly have considered that the reply which I meet his responsibilities.

have had an opportunity of sending to MR. CALLAN: I am sorry the hon. the denunciation of Mr. Egan would Member for Galway has brought this have been the most fitting answer that matter forward, instead of giving pri- document should call for. But it is clear vate Notice to Irish Members. I may say to everybody that a letter of that cha. that I am certainly most impartial upon racter could not have found its way into this matter. I have no sympathy with the office of The Freeman's Journal with. either party. If the hon. Member for out some help from the Executive of the Galway had consulted with his hon. Land League; and I must express my Friend the Member for Mayo, he would disappointment that since the hon. Memhave been asked not to bring this mat- ber for the City of Cork thought proper ter forward, for the hon. Member for to interfere in this debate, he did not Mayo, I am sure, would not object to think proper to so far sympathize with the use of what might be harsh lan- the position of a Member of his own guage; but I remember in this House, political Party in this House, and a Colnot more than two years ago, when we league of many years, to either reproassembled for a great national purpose bate, or, at least, disavow the sentiments —to vote Supplies for the Afghan War contained in that letter of his official -the Leader of the Party to which colleague. I have already shown, Sir, I then belonged-yes, a Member re- by my action with reference to the mea. spected by every part of this House, sure of Land Reform introduced by Her Mr. Isaac Butt-was termed “a traitor,' Majesty's Government, and to which this because he would not-he could not- letter refers, that I am not to be terrified obstruct the Imperial Business. The by the resolutions of the Land League. hon. Member who so charged him was It was, therefore, quite unnecessary on the hon. Member for Mayo, who should the part of the hon. Member for Galway not have been a party to the bringing to make this Motion for my protection; forward this matter by the hon. Member but I am perfectly sure it was imperafor Galway. As to the letter which has tively necessary that he should make it been read, it was an illustration of the for the protection of some of my Col. saying that when friends fall out they leagues. This is only a small part of

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the terrorism which has been practised, organization--one of them at present a and which, as far as I can gather from paid secretary in the office of the Land the speech of the hon. Member for the League in Dublin—who try to induce City of Cork, it is intended shall be con- me to do what I have never done in retinued, towards Gentlemen who dare ference to Government patronage in my to differ from the decrees of the Irish constituency or anywhere else in IreNational Land League. The word has land—who endeavour to seduce me from gore round, Sir, from persons high in my invariable rule not to interfere in authority in that organization, that every Government patronage by the promise man who dares to support any measure of political support on some future day. introduced by the Government shall be I have felt it necessary that I should, in branded as a “place hunter;" and when a manner in which the whole country anyone reflects upon the painful charac- should be a witness of my acts, repudiate ter of the relations which have subsisted the insinuation that has been levelled for a long time between the English Go- against me. I do not appeal merely to vernment and the Irish nation-between the English Members of this House, but the Irish nation and this House--I am I appeal to the most intimate friends and sure he will readily recognize how artful associates of the hon. Member for the City and how dangerous an accusation of that of Cork, when I say to-day that they know sort is. I have been for a longer period very well I am not capable of being a Member of this House than the hon. influenced by such considerations as the Member for the City of Cork, or many treasurer of the Land League has thought of his Colleagues who are members of properto attribute to me. Unfortunately, the Executive of the Land League. I Irish politics are in this position-that am speaking in the presence of Minis- it requires greater courage to support a ters of the Crown and of ex-Ministers of Government when they are right than the Crown; I am speaking in the pre- to oppose them when they are wrong. sence of a crowded House; and I say I I have supported them by voting in challenge any Member of this Assembly favour of the second reading of the Land to dare to assert that my vote or action Law (Ireland) Bill, because I believed I has ever been compromised by mer- was right, and because I had a mandate cenary considerations. Nay, more, I from my constituency, legally and legitiregret to be obliged to add that gentle-mately conveyed to me at a public meetmen who are engaged in bringing these ing in the country. I am very much accusations against their countrymen embarrassed at being under the necessity are themselves gentlemen who have of making this statement to tho House ; within less than 12 months repeatedly but when not only the courtesies of Party applied to me to use my influence to warfare, but the obligations of political obtain for them situations under ller comradeship — aye, and truth itselfjesty's Government. [“ Name, name!”] have been sacrificed to gratify an insane The hon. Member for the City of Cork ambition, I humbly think that the hour asks for name. I shall give it him. I has come for a man who can be neither shall give the name of a paid official of bribed nor terrified to record his protest the Land League, who sends this tele in the light of day. gram from the executive offices of the The O'DONOGHUE: I am also one League in Dublin

of the Members alluded to in the letter "T. P. Quinn, Land League Offices, Dublin, which has been brought before the to John O'Connor Power, J.P., January 20. Mr. House by the hon. Gentleman the MemMonaghan"—who is, by the way, a very pro- ber for Galway. Perhaps I may likeminnt member of the Land League in Ballin- wise be allowed to say a few words. I TL, County Jayo--"telegraphs you requesting int'unce on behalf of Jr. Daly."~Mr.P.J.B. I was sorry when I heard such a letter Duly is a woll-known solicitor in Mayo, who has had been written, and I was sorry when Let a recently employed in defending the op- I read it, because I saw it must lead to plex ed tenant farmers

, and hired for that pur- dissension, and that it would impose įmms by the Land League-"* sulicitor, Buin upon me the necessity of protesting

be, who sck Crown Prosecutorship for Mayo. Comply with Monaghan's request, by me re

against the imputations cast upon me assed, and both shall remember, and doubtless by that letter. From the moment I one day will repay you. I will write you to heard the speech of the Prime Minister night."

I felt there was little doubt that I would Here are gentlemen, members of an support the second reading of the Land

Law (Ireland) Bill. I read it many invest this gentleman, whoever he may times over in conjunction with a gentle- be, with any sort of glory by bringing man of the highest ability, character, him to the Bar; but, on the other hand, and patriotism, and I came to the con. I think that to put in motion the clusion that I was bound by every con- machinery of this House, and the ausideration of duty to support that mea- thority and dignity of the Chair, for the sure. Sir, I believe that a more tho- purpose of debarring from entering the rough measure was never introduced precincts of the House a gentleman who into Parliament. [“ Question !”] Sir, has no title to be there-except such as it is the Question. I believe that a more is possessed by every one of the 4,000,000 thorough measure was never introduced people of this Metropolis and by the into Parliament; and I have no doubt | 34,000,000 people of this Realm would it will be carried through by the Go be an operation too great, too serious, vernment and the Liberal Party un for the end at which it aims; and, con. flinchingly, and without allowing its sequently, I should hope that my hon. main provisions to be impaired. What- Friend will not put in movement such ever differences I may have with the machinery for a purpose apparently so Government on matters of general Irish trivial. But, besides the Motion before policy, I am resolved to co-operate with us, there is the discussion which has them loyally to carry this measure, as if arisen upon it, and to that I confess I those differences did not exist, or had attach no inconsiderable significance. never existed. I cannot claim to be In the first place, in the position I have more docile or tractable than other the honour to hold in this House, I Members ; but I believe that I am as think it is only fair that I should render willing to hear what has to be said on my testimony as to the Gentlemen whose the other side of the question as any characters have been impugned. Ono other Gentleman, and to yield when I of them has sat here for a very short find reason against me. Long as I have time; the others have sat here for a been in the House I have never allowed considerable time. One of them has, I --and I never intend to allow-myself think, sat here for a very considerable to be carried on one side whilst my con- time; and I know of no title that any man victions are on the other.

possesses to say one word reflecting on MR. GLADSTONE: Sir, it appears the Parliamentary character or conduct to me that there are two matters which of any of the three. I am quite sure, with have come into our view on the present respect especially to the hon. Member occasion. One is the Motion made by for Mayo (Mr. O'Connor Power, who my hon. Friend, with respect to which has been particularly attacked, that it considering it nakedly in its terms, I ap- was needless for him to challenge any prehend there can be no doubt it is a man to cast imputations upon him, as he proposition which must be affirmed- did in the strength of conscious innothat is to say, that the letter which has cence; because, so far as I am acquainted been read is a breach of the Privileges with the sentiments of this House and of this House. I am not speaking now I think I know the sentiments of a very of the authorship of that letter; but the large, and, perhaps, preponderating matter of the letter attaches to it that number of Members – the very last character. At the same time, I greatly thing they would think of doing, either doubt whether we ought not to endea- at this moment or at previous periods, vour to persuade my hon. Friend not when the hon. Member may have been to persist in the Motion that he has taking a political course different from made. And for this reason. He him- ourselvos-that one of them would self has said that he thinks there is dream of would be to raise the slightest no advantage in enabling a person to question as to his motives, or to throw aspire to the character of a martyr by the slightest doubt upon his honour. calling him to the Bar of the House'; Another personage has, however, apand he suggests in lieu of that that peared upon the scene-namely, the hon. you, Sir, in your official capacity, should Member for the City of Cork, and the order that this gentleman be debarred case stands thus :-We have before us a from entering the precincts of the House. letter of the matter of which—whatever I quite concur with my hon. Friend in its importance may be—of the matter of thinking that we should not do well to which I imagine that almost, if not quito,

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every man in this House is of opinion which the hon. Member for the City of that it is in a high degree libellous, Cork is the centre and the soul. And scurrilous, and discreditable to the per- this House has a right to know from the son who wrote it. Under these circum- hon. Member for Cork whether he stances, the hon. Member for the City of thinks this is the manner in which it Cork rises, and ho describes the gentle- becomes him and his agent to describe man whose name appears at the close of the Parliamentary proceedings of his this letter as his friend. [Mr. PARNELL: Colleagues. I think he will feel the Hear, hear:] What course does he force of this appeal. He will be aware take in respect to the matter of the that they, and aware that we, have a letter? He does not avow it, and he right to know whether it is by means does not condemn it. But the measure like these—by terrorism like this, as it that he takes is a measure to endeavour has been justly called - I might, perto throw the House off the scent as to haps, say by terrorism of a kind not unthe person who is really in question. likely in certain circumstances and in “Do not, I entreat you," he says, certain places to be followed up by other “bring into accusation the proprietors or measures—whether it is thus that the the writers of The Freeman's Journal,” hon. Member seeks to establish peace, and he sets them forth as the victims order, and liberty in Ireland ? Sir, the whom the hon. Member for Galway has writer of that letter, be he who he may, in view. Now, although I have had no is a man in whose mouth every profescommunication with the hon. Membersion of a regard for liberty is a mockery for Galway, I venture to say that these and a delusion. And there could be no are not the persons he has in view. The greater misfortune for Ireland than that summoning of the editor, or proprietor, the cause of her people should be disor printer of The Freeman's Journal to graced by having its support and its the Bar would, I apprehend, be, if this propagation confided to such men. were a matter which ought properly to MR. HEALY, having referred to the be pursued, only a formal step on the avidity with which denunciations directed road of detection of the real offender, against Irish Members were listened to, and the real offender in this case is the said, it was exceedingly remarkable that gentleman whom the hon. Member for though there was no collusion between Cork has described as his friend and has the hon. Member for Galway and the tried to screen from our view. What I hon. Member for Mayo, the hon. Memmean is this. The hon. Member for ber for Mayo should have so conveniently Cork says that we have no evidence as in his pocket the proofs of guilt of certo the authorship of this letter-no evi- tain Members connected with the Land dence at all. We know that it was pub- League. (Mr. O'Connor Power said, lished in Dublin on Thursday in last he had got more.] If the Motion of the week; we know that Mr. Egan exists; hon. Member for Galway were carried, we trust that he is well; we think it and Mr. Egan should be excluded from probable that he has read this letter the precincts of that House, he could as published in The Freeman's Journal. only say that Mr. Egan, on the very first And if Mr. Egan, being in existence, opportunity, would be found coming into and being in the possession of sound that House in a representative characinind, and in possession of his health, ter; and he, for one, if only to prove and having read that letter, thinks that how utterly such sentiments as those the appearance of that letter with his which had proceeded from the hon. name at the foot of it does not call upon Member for Galway were discredited in him for some disavowal, then, Sir-I am Ireland, he, for one, would be willing to not speaking now of legal evidence, give way for him. He felt sure, no which I do not want, because I do not matter with what satisfaction such an wish to proceed in the matter. [Mr. arrangement might be regarded in that PARNELL: Proceed, proceed.] I think House, that that satisfaction would be we have the strongest moral evidence nothing to the satisfaction which tho that the letter was writton by Mr. Egan. constituency which he had the honour to But Mr. Egan is not to be regarded as represent would feel in having as a an individual, but as a powerful and pro- Representative a man so upright, a man minent officer of an organization; and who had spent so much of his time and that organization is the organization of of his money in the cause of Ireland as Mr. Patrick Egan. He himself might had been given to the hon. Member for have brought under the Speaker's notice Galway and the hon. Member below a more gross and calumnious attack him, but he would have been rebuked made on himself and other Irish Mem- for wasting the time of the House, and bers, not in an Irish but in an English delaying an important measure. The newspaper ; but he had refrained from statements made in the paper to which doing so, though he was called an Ob- he had just referred were as untrue as structive, because the Land Law (Ire- many others which appeared in English land) Bill was before the House; and newspapers about the Irish Members; he regretted that the hon. Member for and he would advise the hon. Member Galway, who professed to be more in for Galway and those who acted with favour of that measure, had not taken him to show some of the patience with the same course. He would read to the which the Irish Members on his side House four lines from that newspaper. bore the attacks directed against them.

Mr. H. SAMUELSON asked whether, MR. MITCHELL HENRY: I would on a Motion that a certain article in a ask the permission of the House to withnewspaper was a Breach of Privilege, it draw my Motion-[“No, no!")-after was in Order for a Member to rise in the noble vindication of the rights and his place and read other newspaper arti- privileges of Members of this House cles which he thought were injurious to which that Motion has evoked from the him, but with respect to which he pro- Prime Minister, and which I trust will posed to make no Motion to the House ? | be a lesson to hon. Members, both as re

MR. SPEAKER said, that the hon. gards their conduct towards their fellowMember for Wexford had a right to Members and also as regards those with speak on the Question before the House. whom they associate themselves. I beg

MR. HEALY said, as the hon. Mem- to withdraw my Motion. ber for Frome had never been noted

MR. A. M. SULLIVAN said, he MR. H. SAMUELSON wished to make did not intend to interfere in a scene himself understood before the hon. Mem which to him was exceedingly painful, ber for Wexford proceeded to castigate and one which he regretted should at him. Was the hon. Member in Order all have occupied the attention of the in reading an extract that had nothing House; but the Prime Minister alluded whatever to do with the Question before just now to the fact that the hon. Memthe House, and upon which he founded ber for Cork City claimed Mr. Egan as no Motion ?

a personal friend; and he (Mr. SulliMR. SPEAKER said, that the hon. van) confessed at a moment when such Member for Wexford was about to quote obloquy and denunciation were hurled from a newspaper when the hon. Nem- at the head of a gentleman whom he had ber for Frome interrupted him.

long called a friend, it would ill become MR. HEALY, after the reproof just him to refrain from saying that he shared addressed to the hon. Member for Frome, with the hon. Member for Cork the priwould let him severely alone. He would vilege of calling Mr. Patrick Egan his now read the extract to which he had friend. One might honestly differ from alluded from a newspaper which he a friend, and one's friend might often would not advertise by naming it. That say and do things which one might repaper said that of course Mr. Healy grot. He read with sincere sorrow the was put up by Mr. Parnell to oppose the letter of his friend Mr. Egan, for the sake Vote of Thanks to Sir Frederick Roberts of one passage contained in it. He had and the troops engaged with him in the long known his hon. Friend behind him Afghan War; that if that young man (Mr.O'Connor Power), and nothing within was left to himself he would make a very his knowledge or belief would ever ingood Member of Parliament; but, un- duce him to sympathize with a charge fortunately, he was not only elected as a reflecting upon his personal honour. He follower of Mr. Parnell, but also as an deplored that letter; but he complained employé of that person, and if he did of the Motion before the House, which not obey orders the connection would must not be withdrawn. The hon. Memterminate and the salary would cease. ber must not be allowed to make an If he had brought that matter before the empty parade. He knew that in atHouse he would not have received the tacking Mr. Egan amid screams of apsympathetic and cordial cheers which plause he was attacking Mr. Egan in a

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