these cases, the sentence might appear | stated in the leading journal of Tuesday, too light was that, in his opinion, the that the Irish Executive have reprething was as nearly as possible an acci- sented to the Cabinet the necessity of dent, and he almost doubted whether | adopting measures for the suppression there should be a conviction. The jury of the Land League ? recommended the prisoner to mercy, and MR. ONSLOW said, that before the he thought it right to pass a light sen- Question was answered, he wished to tence.

ask the right hon. Gentleman, whether, MR. MACFARLANE gave Notice considering the serious state of affairs that on going into Committee of Supply at the present time in Ireland, Her Mahe would move the following Resolu- jesty's Government intend to retain in tion:

the service of the Crown, at salaries “ That the administration of the law in cases paid for out of the taxes of the country, of outrage upon the person has long been a re- officials holding office under the Land proach to our Criminal Courts. That outrages League ? and assaults of the most brutal character, espe

MR. T. P. O'CONNOR asked, whecially upon married women, even when they cause a cruel death, are commonly punished less ther. Her Majesty's Government were severely than small offences against property. considering measures for the suppression That the admission of the crime of drunkenness of that other Land League known as as an extenuation of other crimes is immoral, the House of Lords? and acts as an incentive to persons about to com

Sir STAFFORD NORTHCOTE inmit outrages to wilfully deprive themselves of the guidance of reason.'

quired, whether there was any truth in

the report that at a Sheriff's sale at PEACE PRESERVATION (IRELAND) ACT, Scariff, in the county of Clare, four 1881-ARMS LICENCES.

policemen were shot dead with revolvers, MR. O'SULLIVAN asked Mr. Attor. and two others seriously wounded ?

MR. GLADSTONE : Sir, with regard ney General for Ireland, Whether petty session clerks in Ireland are entitled to to the Question of the hon. Member for charge a fee of 18. 6d. for each form Mid Lincolnslıire (Mr. Chaplin), and required for liberty to have arms under without any intention of pronouncing the Peace Preservation (Ireland) Act?

any censure upon him, he will allow me THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR

to remind him that the responsibility of IRELAND (Mr. Law): Sir, arms licences the Executive Government is undivided, are to be granted by the licensing officers and when he asks me whether the Exewhom the Lord Lieutenant has appointed cutive Government of Ireland recomfor the purpose, and petty sessions clerks mended something to be done to which have nothing to do with the granting of the Executivo Government in England them.

objected, he is simply asking a Question

as to the state of opinion within the THE ROYAL AGRICULTURAL COMMIS.

Government, and, as a general rule, SION-REPORT AND EVIDENCE.

such a Question ought not to be an

swered. At the same time, the Question Mr. CHAPLIN asked the Secretary having been put, at which I must say I of State for the lIome Department, When am not surprised, I feel that it would be the Index and Appendix to the evidence inconvenient to decline to answer it, and of the Royal Agricultural ('ommission, I would therefore say that there is no as well as the Assistant Commissioner's foundation for the statement to which Raports, which were sent to the home the hon. Gentleman refers. With reOffice on tho 27th April last, will be laid spect to the Question of the hon. Memupon the Table of the Blouse.

ber for Guildford (Mr. Onslow), the SIR WILLIAM HARCOURT: Sir, matter is one which only came under the Papers were laid upon the Table on my notico a few moments before he put the 3rd of May, and the Queen's Prin- it. It involves a point which requires ters report that they ought to be ready serious consideration, and as to which for distribution in about a week's time. I could not promiso any information to

the hon. Member in the absence of my STATE OF IRELAND-THE LAND

right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary LEAGL'E.

for Ireland. In reference to the QuesMR. CHAPLIN asked the First Lord tion with respect to statements in the of the Treasury, Whether it is true, as newspapers this morning, I was led by

to pay.

those statements to send a telegram to a woman who held a house in the town the Irish Office in Dublin for informa- at a nominal rent of £5, and who was tion, and I will read to the House the five years in arrears, and would pay noprecise terms of a telegram I received thing. I gather from the evidence that in reply, which will tend, I think, to she was afraid to pay; but she did not relieve a good deal of public anxiety, pay anything, and Lord Kenmare paid which, undoubtedly, the Government for the expenses of her passage to America. the moment shared with them. The The fifth case was that of a tenant who telegram is as follows:

was a-year and a half in arrear of rent, “The County Inspector at Ennistelegraphs this But the essential feature with regard to

and who was re-admitted as caretaker. morning as follows:-'Attended yesterday to protect proeses-servers serving writs on Colonel the whole five cases is this—that in the O'Callaghan's tenants. Police fired on by people; full conviction and knowledge of my shots exchanged; no one shot on either side.'

noble Friend, in every one of them the [Laughter.] He did not know whether tenant was able, and thoroughly able, that laugh showed satisfaction or not.

The cases illustrate the enorMR. T. P. O'CONNOR: We laughed

mous mischief done, and the enormous in common with the Benches opposite.

responsibility incurred, by those who Mr. GLADSTONE (continuing to read advise the tenants in Ireland who are the telegram)

able to pay their rents not to pay them.

LORD EUSTACE CECIL inquired of «« Effected service in spite of opposition, the Secretary of State for War, whether County Inspector and a party of 20 men fired he was in a position to contradict the at from a plantation at Fortaunbeg at 9.30 p.m., when returning to Ennis. One horse shot under statements made in some of the papers police car; no policeman hit. The County In- as to the Cavalry charge said to have spector of Donegal telegraphs that on Tuesday taken place in Clonmel ? last he proceeded in gunboat to Arranmore

MR. CHILDERS: Sir, all I can say Island with police force, landed, and served certain summonses. They met with no opposi- with reference to the case referred to by tion whatever. Report in this morning's papers my noble Friend, and as to other cases, is, therefore, untrue.'”

is that the statements which have apThat is all the information we have re- peared are very much exaggerated in. ceived. With respect to a Question of deed. If my noble Friend will be good the hon. Member for Galway Town (Mr. enough to repeat his Question after the T. P. O'Connor), making inquiry of me Recess, I shall be in a position to afford as to certain evictions on Lord Ken- the House full information as to all the mare's estate at Kenmare, I have to say

circumstances. that I have made inquiry on the subject

Mr.PARNELL gave Notice that after of the Lord Chamberlain, and my noble the Recess he would ask the Secretary of Friend, feeling it was not right that at- State for War, whether the statement as tention should be called in this House to the late Cavalry charge at Clonmel, to any proceedings of his which might which appeared in the “Freeman's be connected with the present difficulties Journal ” of yesterday, was true—to the in Ireland without his making known effect that the Cavalry charged a crowd the facts of the case, I have, therefore, consisting of about two dozen men and received the following information from women and children who were standing the noble Lord :-Out of more than on the footpath listening to the advice of 1,000 tenants on his estate at Kenmare the Rev. Mr. Byrne, and slashed their there have been five recent evictions. swords about in a fearful manner ? Of the tenants evicted, two defended the MR. CHILDERS said, he would an. actions of ejectment brought against swer the Question on Friday week. them, and Lord Kenmare obtained ver- Mr. O'DONNELL asked the Prime dicts against them from Dublin juries in Minister, whether he had examined into the month of February last. One of the accuracy of the statement with rethe remaining cases was that of a woman spect to the Kenmare estate with which and her children, who appealed to Lord he had just favoured the House ? Kenmare to get rid of the stepfather, MR. GLADSTONE, in reply, said, who married the woman, on account-Ithat he had made no examination of the will not go into the particulars--of his accuracy of the statement, and should personal misconduct rendering him un- make nono. Ho had absolute and imtrustworthy. Another was the case of plicit confidence in Lord Kenmare's

Mr. Gladstone

honour, and had received his statement | whether that is agreeable to the wish of with the same.

the House generally. MR. HEALY inquired, whether it was not the fact that Lord Kenmare ob- CONTAGIOUS DISEASES (ANIMALS) tained his writs out of the Superior ACTS-DISEASED CATTLE FROM Courts in Dublin for the purpose of

THE UNITED STATES. keeping up costs on the tenants

VISCOUNT FOLKESTONE asked the MR. ĞLADSTONE: What I said was Vice President of the Council, Whether that Lord Kenmare had obtained ver. it is true that a cargo of nearly three dicts from Dublin juries in actions hundred oxen from Boston have been brought in the Courts of that City.

landed at Glasgow affected with foot

and-mouth disease ; and, whether effecPARLIAMENT-PUBLIC BUSINESS-

tual steps have been taken to prevent THE TRANSVAAL.

the spread of the disease so imported ?

MR. MUNDELLA, in reply, said, he MR. GORST asked the Prime Minister, Whether he would to-morrow make that yesterday he had received informa

regretted to inform the noble Viscount some statement in reference to the tion that a cargo of cattle corresponding Transvaal, having formally stated that very much to the description given in as soon as the guns taken at Potchef- the noble Viscount's Question had been strooi were restored facilities would be landed in Glasgow in a very diseased given for the bringing on of the debate state, and that the Department had in reference to the Transvaal ?

issued instructions for the isolation and Mr. GLADSTONE: Sir, I never slaughter of the cattle, and for the dismade any statement of the kind. What infection of all the person who had had I said was that until the communications as to what had taken place were by those measures they would succeed in

any access to them. It was hoped that concluded no useful discussion could take place. Perhaps, however, it may be de preventing the spread of any infection. sirable that I should say a word as to LAW AND JUSTICE (SCOTLAND)—THE the course of Public Business. We have

LAW OF ENTAIL. got, as the House is aware, into a situation of competition between two great

MR. DONALD CURRIE: I beg to questions—the Irish Land Bill, which is ask the Lord Advocate a Question of before us especially on this occasion, and which I have given him private Notice Supply, which has fallen into a back-1-namely, Whether, at an early day, we ward stato, and as to which justifiable may hope that the Government will inanxiety prevails. I was extremely troduce a Bill dealing with the Laws of anxious that the debate on the second Entail and Settlement in Scotland ? reading of the Land Bill should take THE LORI) ADVOCATE (Mr. J. place immediately after the Easter Re- M'LAREN): Sir, I can inform my hon. coss. I do not know that we gained a

Friend that the question has not been great deal by commencing it on that day. overlooked by the Government. Within I am given to understand that it would the last few days, I have been informed be a considerable convenience to Irish that there is a general wish on both Members that Supply should be taken sides of the House, amongst the Repreat the two Sittings next week, instead of sontatives of the Scotch constituencies, the Land Bill; and, considering that wo

that somo attempt should be made to can hardly expect to dispose of the Com- deal with cortain parts of this question, mittee on the Land Bill before the House and in the hope that it may meet with would insist on our taking Supply, I favourable consideration' I propose to think we should act wisely if we took bring in a Bill for that purpose. Supply on Thursday and Friday next week, and then gave our constant atten- | PROTECTION OF PERSON AND PRO. tion to the Land Bill. Unless I have


MR. DILLON AND OTHERS. reason to suppose that I am mistaken in thinking that it meets with general ac- MR. T. P. O'CONNOR asked the ceptance, we shall consider that that is Prime Minister, Whether the Governthe arrangement. To-morrow, at 2 ment will be able to keep their promise, clock, we shall be able to see positively that there shall be an Evening Sitting to-morrow for resuming the discussion d on the hon. Member for Longford's W (Mr. Justin M.Carthy's) Motion as to to the conduct of the Irish Executive in E this matter; and, whether they will also to have the advantage of the presence of si the Chief Secretary for Ireland during la the debate ?

MR. PARNELL asked, whether any G arrangements had been made by the of Government to take the adjourned de- so bate at 2 o'clock ?

J MR. GLADSTONE, in reply, said, it had been agreed upon that the discus- it sion in question should be taken at the ti Evening Sitting at 9 o'clock. The case for the Government with regard to the Motion had already been stated, His right hon. Friend the Chief Secretary would not be able to be in his place tomorrow; but he had already spoken in the debate.

I THE O'DONOGHUE asked, whether Supply would stand first for the Even- i ing Sitting ?

MR. GLADSTONE said, Supply must stand first, according to the Rules.

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li MR. O'SULLIVAN asked Mr. Attor-i ney General for Ireland, Whether it is ir true that a proclamation has been issued a this day, declaring a part of this county

1 under martial law so far as to prevent ti the people from assembling in the dis- to trict; and, if so, whether he will state why martial law has been proclaimed a without the authority of the House ?

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR IRELAND (Mr. Law), in reply, said, he had received no information on the subject.






COLONEL STANLEY asked the Secretary of State for War, On what day, or about what day, he proposes to take the discussion on this scheme?

MR.CHILDERS, in reply, said, he had stated the other night that taking Vote 10 on that occasion would not interfere with the promise he had given to fix the earliest day possible after the details of the plan of re-organization, which would be contained in the second Memo- f randum, had been laid on the Tablet of the House. That second Memoran

Mr. T. P, O'Connor


of the Corporation of the City of Derry;\" tenancy" meant the interest on the whether such an assessment of the ex- holding of a tenant and his successors pense connected with the county on the in title during the continuance of a tencity (which is a distinct constituency of ancy; and a “ tenant” meant a person itself) is in accordance with the law ; occupying land under a contract of tenand, whether the charge of any portion ancy, and included the successors in title of such expenses on the respective con- to a tenant. If they were to ask for the stituencies is directly authorised by law limit of the interest which the tenant or rests merely on usage ?

wasto possess within the contract, express THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR or implied, which existed between tho IRELAND (Mr. Law): Sir, the ex- landlord and the tenant, Her Majesty's penses of extra police drafted into the Ministers had been much misunderstood county of Londonderry for the county if they had been credited with the desire election of 1880 have been duly charged to let the interest of the tenant be only on the county, and have not been de- that which was contemplated by the conmanded from the corporation of the city. tract between him and his landlord. If The charge is made without any refer- the only interest the tenant was to have ence to constituencies, and is in accord- was that which the law gave himance with law.

namely, the right of assigning the unexpired term of the tenancy, there could

be no difficulty in adopting his right ORDERS OF THE DAY.

hon. Friend's (Sir R. Assheton Cross's)

Amendment. But if, on the other hand, LAND LAW (IRELAND) BILL.—[Bill 135.) in the power of the tenant—something

there was something more to be placed (Mr. Gladstone, Mr. Forster, Mr. Bright, Mr. upon the mere fact of occupancy-one

Attorney General for Ireland, Mr. Solicitor searched through the Bill in vain in General for Ireland.)

order to ascertain the nature and extent COMMITTEE. (FIFTH NIGHT.] of the new thing which the tenant was [Progress 31st May.]

to sell. The Prime Minister, in dis

cussing the Bill, used two remarkable Bill considered in Committee.

phrases. He said the tenant's interest (In the Committee.)

was an interest made up of what the law PART I.

gave him; and he also used that extra

ordinary phrase, “or should give him." Ordinary CONDITIONS OF TENANCIES. Mr. GLADSTONE: “Gives,” or

"shall (lause 1 (Sale of tenancies).

give."] He accepted what the right hon.

Gentleman said ; but if what was meant Amendment proposed,

was what the law gave the tenant by that In page 1, line 8, after the word "sell,” to Bill, what was the interest of the teninsert the words "such interest as under any ant? Was it to be measured by time contract, express or implied, between himself

or value? Were there any circumand his landlord, or by any legal custom or usage he may then have in unexhausted im- stances that went to show that the inprovements or in the unexpired term of."- terest had been created by the tenant ? (Sir Richard ('ross.)

In his concluding words, the right hon. Question again proposed, “That those Gentleman said that it was a right which words be there inserted.”

meant nothing more than the occupancy

of the tenant, together with such inci. SIR HARDINGE GIFFARD thought depts as the Legislature might be pleased that, from some of the phrases used by to attach to it. They were enacting now the right hon. Gentleman the Prime Mithat the tenant might sell that thing nister, this Amendment was absolutely whatever it was; and, apart from tho necessary. The Bill, as it stood, pro- phrase to which he had referred, he vided that the tenant for the time being Boked in vain through the Bill to find of every tenancy to which the Act ap- anything limiting the power to sell beplied must sell his tenancy for the best sond phrases which meant nothing. It price that could be got for the samo; was said that the interest was to be also and within that provision they were created by the contract. Be it 80; but bound to include the Interpretation here must be something beyond tho Clauso, from which it appeared that contract. He thought he had some right VOL. CCLXI. [THIRD SERIES.] 3 P

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