Purchase officers will retain on retire- to any plan for bringing the remains ment the pecuniary advantages given at the present time to one place as was them under the present Warrant. If done by the French. I believe, hom. the hon. and gallant Gentleman is aware ever, that the state of the Cathcart's of any special case which would form an Hill Cemetery is not accurately deexception to this rule, under the system scribed in the letter to The Times signed I have explained in the Memorandum“ J. P.," and it is contradicted by a laid before Parliament, it shall be con- subsequent letter signed by two gentlesidered by the Committee who are deal- men known to me of undoubted authoing with the new Warrant. If the second rity, whose initials are given, and also by part of the hon. and gallant Member's a report from the Consul General at Question refers to the principle of the Odessa, who recently visited the Crimea. Warrant of 1877, under which induce- I have asked the Foreign Office to inments irere given to officers to retire in struct the Consul General at Odessa to their then existing ranks, and which he make further and full inquiries on the calls an apparent anomaly, I can only subject. say that I find that this so-called anomaly was a very deliberate decision by POST OFFICE-POSTAGE OF NEWS. my Predecessor on the Report of the

PAPERS ABROAD. Royal Commission, where the reasons MR. WARTON asked the Postmaster for it are fully given ; and I am not pre- General, Whether he will consider the pared to disturb it.

advisability either of extending the time

within which newspapers may be posted ARMY-BRITISH CEMETERIES IN THE to foreign parts

, or of dispensing with CRIMEA.

any restriction in that behalf? MAJOR VAUGHAN LEE asked the

Mr. FAWCETT : Sir, the restriction Secretary of State of War, If his atten. to which the hon. and learned Member tion has been called to a letter in the refers has been practically abolished “Times” newspaper of the 14th instant, with regard to the whole of the Contiunder the signature of J. P., showing nent, the United States, and Canada, the state of our cemeteries on Cathcart's because newspapers can, by a regulation Hill and elsewhere in the Crimea ; and, of the 'Postal Union, be posted at the if he will cause steps to be taken to

same rate as book packets. I will converify this statement, and, in the event sider whether any steps can be taken to of its being correct, he will, without de- limit the effect of the restriction with lay, make arrangements to have the regard to other countries. walls of these cemeteries repaired, and the graves and graveyards properly restored, and, for the future, have those

SOUTH AFRICA – THE TRANSVAAL cemeteries maintained in proper order (NEGOTIATIONS)-SIR EVELYN like those of the Freuch ?

WOOD. MR. CHILDERS: Sir, in reply to Sir H. DRUMMOND WOLFF asked the hon. and gallant Member, I have to the Under Secretary of State for the state that I have alwvays taken much Colonies, Whether the attention of Her interest in the subject of his Question, Majesty's Government has been called although officially the cemeteries are

to a telegram in the “ Standard ” of not in charge of the War Department May 6th, dated Newcastle, Wednesday, and we have no funds from which aid in which it is stated that could be given towards their maintenI find, as a matter of fact, that here at the question raised in England as to

“Considerable surprise has been manifested since the Crimean War about £7,000 blame or praise due to General Wood for his has been spent upon them, and at the making the Treaty with the Boers. present time £80 a-year is allowed from “Sir E. Wood as a soldier obeyed the orders Civil Votes for the salary of a custodian he received from the Home authorities

, and and for repairs. The real difficulty, best of his abilities. It is, however, no secret

carried out a painful and delicate task to the which marks the difference between here that he strongly advocated driving the these cemeteries and the French graves, Boers out of Natal before entering into any is that there are 10 British cemeteries negotiations with thein ; but his advice was alat or near the places where the men fell, together ignored at home;" and that much objection would be made and, whether such statement is correct?

Mr. Childera



TITHE (EXTRAORDINARY CHARGE) asked permission, before the right hon.

BILL. Gentleman answered the Question, to put to him a Question on the same sub- MR. J. G. TALBOT asked the honject of which he had given him private ourable and learned Member for Rye, Notice. It was—Whether any commu- Whether, looking to the fact that a nications by telegraph or otherwise bear- Select Committee of this House has been ing on this subject have passed between appointed to consider the question of Sir Evelyn Wood and the Home Go- Extraordinary Tithe, he proposes to

provernment, or between the late Sir George ceed with the Second Reading of the Colley, while he was in command, and Bill on the same subject on the 25th of the Home Governinent, which have not May ? yet been published ; and, if so, whether NR. INDERWICK, in reply, said, any such communications will be pub- he had received no Notice of the intenlished?

tion of the hon. Member to put the MR. GRANT DUFF: I will, Sir, Question to him. The Select Committee with the permission of the House, answer to which the hon. Gentleman referred these two Questions together. The hon. had not yet been appointed. When it had Gentleman the Member for Portsmouth been, he would be happy to tell the hon. (Sir H. Drummond Wolff) asks me with Member what course he intended to regard to a passage in The Standard news- take. paper. To that I have to reply that the MR. J. G. TALBOT said, he had statement therein contained appears to given public Notice of his Question on me to be neither correct ner just to Sir Friday, which he had thought would Evelyn Wood. In reply to the right hoc. have been sufficient, and he had intended Baronet the Member for East Gloucester- ! no discourtesy to tho hon. and learned shire (Sir Michael Hicks-Beach), I have | Meniber. He now gave Notice that if to say that the whole liistory of the the hon. and learned Member proceeded transaction to which he alludes is in the with his Motion on the 25th of May hands of lion. Members; that we have he would move the “ Previous Quesreceived no telegrams or other commu- tion." nications either from Sir George Colley or Sir Evelyn Wood besides and beyond SOUTH AFRICA-THE TRANSVAAL thuse that have been laid on the Table

(NEGOTIATIONS)—THE BRITISH of the House. I would refer hon. Mem

GARRISONS. bers more especially to No. 89 of 2,837, received at the Colonial Office on the LORD EUSTACE CECIL asked the 6th of March, to No. 113 of the same First Lord of the Treasury, Whether, Paper, received on the 17th of March, in view of the great danger of a native and to No. 5 of 2,858, dated the 23rd rising in the Transvaal, and of the critiof March, the inaterial part of which I cal state of our negotiations, as sugwill read as containing the most re- gested by his answer on Monday last, he cent expression of Sir Evelyn Wood's can explain the exact position of the views

garrisons in the Transvaal under the "March 23, 11.30 p.m.-Sincerely grateful terms of the armistice by which they to Government for appreciation of efforts in

were to be allowed to receive provisious, carrying out their wishes. Referring to words but no material of war? ' happiest results,' &c., in my telegram of March Mr. GLADSTONE: I do not wish to 6, 1 meant that a series of actions fought by six be committed by the terms of the Quescompanies could not affect our prestige, but Boer leaders had lit a fire which had got beyond tion in the answer which I give; and I their control and would be quenched inore easily take it for granted that the noble Lord's after a British victory; the fire is now out for a object is not to ask me to go into military time, but Kruger to-day stated the Republic details, but simply to state the condition would be ruined if the Commission admitted of the garrisons. Taking the Question claims from all forced to aid Boers. In drafting in that view, I have no hesitation in instructions, therefore, the hitherto inert power of the loyalists must be treated as an important answering that, in the first place, as factor in the question of a lasting peace. It regards the provisioning of the garriwould be also false modesty to conceal belief that personal acquaintance with me has mate

sous there is no difficulty whatever. In rially aided solution. Uneducated men mistrust regard to ammunition, they are also Governments, but trust persons."

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case of a constituency having two Mem.

bers, it was not usual to refer to them as MR. DILLON.

the senior and the junior Member roMR. LABOUCHERE asked the Chief spectively? Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ire- MR. A. M. SULLIVAN: Sir, as there land, Whether his attention has been are two Members for Bradford in the called to the fact that Mr. Dillon, now House, inay I ask Mr. Forster whether in Kilmainham Gaol, is suffering from he will be in a position to give to the illness; and, if he will take steps to as- | House the information he expects recertain whether continued incarceration garding the health of the hon. Member will have any serious effect upon that for Tipperary when it reaches him? gentleman's health, with a view to at Mr. W. E. FORSTER: I may say, once release him, if such be the case ? that I meant no reflection and no act of

MR. SEXTON also asked the right discourtesy by the way I referred to Mr. hon. Gentleman, Whether it is true, as Dillon. My impression was that, when stated in the newspapers, that in conse- referring to any action outside of a Memquence of the report on the state of his ber of this House, it was within Order health, the hon. Member for Tipperary not to refer to him in the usual way, has been placed in the infirmary of Kil- but to speak of him by name. mainham Prison; also, whether prisoners confined in cells through illness ARMY RE-ORGANIZATION MILITIA are condemned to entire solitude, be

OFFICERS' UNIFORMS. cause the rules of the prison prevent

Sir HERBERT MAXWELL asked their receiving any visitors ?

Mr. W. E. FORSTER: I am afraid the Secretary of State for War, If any I must ask the hon. Member for Sligo whose regiments are to be changed into

allowance will be made to Militia officers (Mr. Sexton) to repeat his Question, in order that I may make inquiry.

he Highland or trews dress, in the same swer to the hon. Member for Northamp- ay as indicated by him, for officers of ton (Mr. Labouchere), Mr. Dillon is, 'I those corps changed from or to Rifles ? cal adviser. I have not received official | hon. Baronet, I have to say that in cases information, although I have made in- where alterations are made in the uniquiry as to the state of his health ; but forms of Militia regiments to and from I hope, from what I see in the papers,

Highland dress, I propose to grant some that he is not seriously ill. That is what allowance, as in the case of Rifle dress. I gather. I should be sorry if his im- | I may add that I propose to assist the prisonment should affect his health ; but officers of the Army in the same way. the hon. Member can hardly expect us to release him to enable hiin to renew

NAVY-THE TROOP-SHIP “NEMESIS." the conduct for which it has been felt Mr. W. B. BEACH asked the Secre. necessary to arrest him.

tary of State for War, Whether it is corMr. HEALY rose to a point of Order. rect that the “Nemesis,” a troop-ship He wished to know whether, when a engaged by the Government to take the Member of that House who had been 7th Hussars to South Africa, and which arrested on a charge for which he had started with half the Regiment on the not been tried, and of which he had not 28th of February, was in such bad rebeen guilty, was referred to in the pair, and her engines were so defective, House, he should be mentioned by that a large number of horses died name, and not by the constituency which during the voyage?

represented, as was the usual cour- MR. TREVELYAN: Sir, it is the tesy in the House ?

case that 39 horses out of 224 died on MR. SPEAKER: The right hon. Gen. board the Nemesis on the way out. The tleman (Mr. W. E. Forster) has not vessel was 49 days on the voyage to the taken any course, in my opinion, opposed Cape, which was about 10 days longer to Order. Hon. Members are airare than she ought to have taken. The that there are two Members for Tip- ; delay between England and St. Vincent perary in the House, and it is necessary was caused by unusually heavy weather; to distinguish between them,

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into St. Helena under circumstances under that Act there was no power to which have not been satisfactorily ex- use any part of the land for a small-pox plained. On reaching the Cape the hospital. troops and horses were transferred to another transport for conveyance to

RAILWAYS (INDIA) PORTUGUESE Durban, and an inquiry into the cir- TERRITORY-TREATY OF LISBON. cumstances was ordered on the spot, the Sir GEORGE CAMPBELL asked the report of which has not yet been re- Secretary of State for India, Whether, ceived. The Nemesis was classed 100 in accordance with the conditions of the A1 at Lloyd's, practically the highest Treaty of Lisbon, a mixed Commission classification she could have, and held a ( has ascertained that a Railway from Board of Trade certificate dated the Marmaganna to New Hubli would be 21st of February last. Her hull, en- preferable, in the interests of commerce gines, and boilers were also thoroughly I generally, to one from Karwar to New surveyed by the officers of the Trans- Hubli, and likely to prove remunerative; port Department before she was en- and, whether the Government of India gaged, and were found in every respect are satisfied that the proposed Line by in good order. I am sure that the way of Marmaganna is preferable to any House will remember that this is the other, can be constructed at a reasonable only thing resembling a misadventure cost, and is likely to prove remunerain the operations of the Transport De- tive ? partment connected with South Africa. THE MARQUESS OF HARTINGTON: That Department has conveyed 12,000 Sir, under the Treaty of Lisbon it was men, 2,400 horses, and 7,500 tons of optional to appoint a mixed Commission stores 8,000 miles across the ocean, for to ascertain whether a railway from the most part in the depth of a winter Marmagoa to Now Hubli would be of no ordinary soverity.

preferable, in the interests of commerce

generally, to one from Karwar to New PUBLIC HEALTH-SMALL-POX Hubli. The words are, “Whenever (METROPOLIS).

either of the high contracting parties COLONEL MAKINS asked the Presi- may be desirous of ascertaining” the dent of the Local Government Board, advantages of one as compared with the If it be a fact that application was made other, they shall in concert appoint such by the Asylums Board to the Govern- a Commission. It was not, however, conment and the Metropolitan Board of sidered necessary to follow this course, Works for permission to place tempo- Her Majesty's Government being of rary Small Pox Hospitals on the vacant opinion that there were good and sufficient ground at Wormwood Scrubs; and, if reasons for co-operating with the Go80, whether such application was re- vernment of Portugal in carrying out fused, and the grounds for such re- the Marmagoa undertaking, each Gofusal ?

vernment dealing with the construction MR. DODSON : Sir, no application of of those sections only of railway which the above nature has been made to the lie within its own territory. The GoGovernment or to the Metropolitan vernment of India expressed themBoard by the Asylums Board ; but an selves in favour of the Karwar line; but application from the Fulham District in dealing with the question at the India Board of Works was made to the Me- Office it was thought that both the letter tropolitan Board and refused, that Board and spirit of the Treaty bound us not stating that they had no power to grant only not to attach too much weight to the use of any portion of Wormwood the circumstance that Karwar was in Scrubs for the purpose. No specific British territory, but also to judge the grounds of refusal were stated; but case for Marmagoa as favourably as in Wormwood Serubs appear to be vested reason and candour we could ; and we in the Metropolitan Board of Works by came to the conclusion that it was more the Wormwood Scrubs Act, 1879, upon advantageous, under all the circumtrust for the perpetual uso thereof by / stances, to make the arrangement, which the inhabitants of the Metropolis for has been explained, with the Portuguese exercise and recreation grounds, subject Government. There is no reason to supto their use for military purposes; and it pose that the line will not be constructed in presumed that it was considered that at a reasonable cost by that Government


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and that when completed throughout it managers of the five lines of British will not be remunerative.

steamships which took Irish emigrants

from Liverpool to Queenstown; and he MERCHANT SHIPPING ACTS-EMI. had now received from all those mana. GRANT SHIPS.

gers a most emphatic and categorical Mr. O'DONNELL asked the First

denial that any such circumstances as Lord of the Treasury, Whether his at

were related in the article could possibly tention has been called to a letter in the have taken place with regard to their “ Pall Mall Gazette" of Friday, 6th in- lines of steamships. He had, however, stant, on the "Horrors of an Emigrant thought the matter of so much importShip,” signed Charlotte O'Brien, and ance that he had directed Captain Wilson, detailing the life on board an emigrant one of the principal officers of the Board ship from Ireland to America ; whether of Trade, to visit Queenstown and Liverhe has noticed especially the following pool to make special inquiries into the


and Mr. Gray, the Assistant Sepassage : “But my business was with the women's Board of Trade, who was now at Liver

cretary of the Marine Department of the quarters, anil we went on there. Between two decks, better lighted than the men's quarters, pool, had been instructed to make further was a large space, open from one side of the inquiry. He had asked Miss O'Brien ship to the other From either side of a long to give him the name of the ship to central walk to the outer walls of the ship were which her letter referred, and also any slung two enormous hammocks, one suspended other particulars which would enable about three feet from the floor, the other above the lower one. What was going on in the two him more carefully and thoroughly to upper hammocks I could not see, but I presume investigate the matter. He hoped, under they were the same as those below. I suppose these circumstances, the House would each of these hammocks carry about one hun think it right to suspend its judgment dred persons.

They were made of sailcloth. and, being suspended all around from hooks, upon the statement made. As soon as were perfectly flat. Narrow strips of sailcloth possible, after its completion, the Cur divided this great bed into berths. These strips respondence would be placed on the of cloth, when the mattresses were out, formed Table. divisions about eight inches high; when the

MR. MACDONALD said, he had mattresses are in it must be almost one level. Now in these beds lie hundreds of men and several times crossed the Atlantic; but

Any man who comes with a woman, he had never seen anything of the kind who is or calls herself his wife, sleeps by right | mentioned, although he had inspected in the midst of hundreds of young women, who the steerage. He would like to know, are compelled to live in his presence day and if the right hon. Gentleman had any night; if they remove their clothes it is under his eyes, if they lie down to rest it is beside him. information as to what line of steamships It is a shame even to speak of these things; was referred to ? but to destroy such an evil it is necessary to MR. CHAMBERLAIN said, the line face it;

referred to was not mentioned in the and, whether it is the intention of Her article in The Pall Mall Guzette; but he had Majesty's Government to take any steps written to Miss O'Brien for particulars. to put an end to such a disgraceful treat- Mr. O'DONNELL asked, if any inquiry ment of the emigrant poor?

would be made as to American lines MR. CHAMBERLAIN, in reply, said, touching at Queenstown? the Prime Minister had desired him to MR.CHAMBERLAIN said, he was not answer that Question and another of a

aware that any American line carried similar nature wbich stood on the Paper Irish emigrants from Queenstown or in the name of the noble Viscount the Liverpool. Member for Barnstaple (Viscount Lymington). The circumstances to which POST OFFICE (SAVINGS BANK DEreference was made in the first Question

PARTMENT) EMPLOYMENT OF were brought to his attention some days

DEAF AND DUMB PERSONS. before the letter was published in The Pall Mall Gazette by his right hon. MR. C. S. PARKER asked the PostFriend the Chief Secretary for Ireland, master General, Whether, as has been and he at once made some preliminary stated, it is intended to employ a cerinquiry into the matter. On the pub- tain number of deaf and dumb per: lication of the letter signed “Charlotte sons at the Post Office in the sorting of G. O'Brien” ho communicated with the papers ?

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