lutely to the direction of the Charity their time and attention to these chariCommissioners. When he said direction, ties, might very well decline to have he did not mean that their daily ad- their names sent up to the Charity Comministration would be in the hands of mission, who, like other mortals, might the Charity Commissioners; but if this cast a slur upon candidates by objectBill passed, the Charity Commissioners ing to the names sent up. If it were would have the power of re-writing the not sufficient to be elected by those who will of the founder, and not only that, were entitled to elect them, such gentlebut of re-writing the Statutes made since men would, of course, retire. That in respect of those charities, and even would be the very general feeling; and the schemes which had been sanctioned great discouragement to the elected by the High Court of Chancery. It trustees would be the result. Again, came to this—that whereas before they some of the charities had a large prorequired that the trustees and the Charity perty in land; but under this Bill in the Commissioners should concur, they now smallest reference to a Court of Law, set the trustees aside and gave general for getting the rent, perhaps, of a 28. 6d. and absolute power to the Commissioners. cottage, it would be necessary for the He was not arguing in favour of what Charity Commission to institute a suit; was called the “dead hand," or of an and where injunctions were required, absolute unalterability of the provisions for instance, to prevent the value of of a trust, for he was well aware that as house property being destroyed by buildtime went on the alteration of circum- ing in front of it, it would be necessary stances was such that trusts must fre- to go to the Charity Commission to allow quently need modification; but he argued immediate reference to be made, lest against the assertion that the Charity delay should make the process useCommission were

so very superior to less. He thought the Bill would prothe trustees of the great charities that duce alarm and disgust among a large it was right to dethrone the trustees and number of those who took pleasure set up the Charity Commission in their in the administration of these trusts ; place. While entirely agreeing that the and he believed that those who now Charity Commissioners had done good conferred a great public benefit by service, and disbelieving that they would much self - denying sacrifice of time make any misuse of powers placed in and labour would withdraw from their their hands, they could not, on the independent administration when they ground that the present members were found it transferred to the management excellent men, justify giving them such of a Central Board in London. The noble vast powers. It was impossible not to and learned Lord on the Woolsack might see that the effect of this great change have every confidence in the excellent would be to diminish everywhere the intentions of the Charity Commissioners, local supervision of the charitable trusts, and he did not wish to doubt their good and sweep them all under the direction of intentions; but he could not help calling one central body-a central body which attention to one recommendation in their would be appointed by the Minister of the last Report, which showed the kind of day; and the persons who enjoyed the spirit by which they were actuated. benefits of these trusts and those who They recommended that a number of took an interest in them would see with inspectors should be appointed, and they alarm the result that the private and added that it would be a matter for conindependent exercise of these trusts sideration whether it would not be ad. would disappear, and the vast revenues vantageous that they should be ex-officio of the charities would be more and governors of the educational endowments more administered in obedience to the in the district. The result of this probehests of the central authority. There posal would be that the officers of the were clauses in this Bill for providing Commission would have votes, and new schemes, which would have a very might be supreme in the government of considerable effect. The trustees of all those educational charities. He did not charities, however large, respectable, or wish to say a word disrespectful to the important, must in future have their Charity Commissioners; but with all naines sent up to the Charity Commis- their burning desire to do good, and their sion to be approved. Distinguished seeming confidence that they alone could gentlemen, who devoted a great deal of do good, they still required the greatest


vigilance to be exercised towards them Second Reading-Land Law (Ireland) (135) – on the part of their Lordships' House. [Sixth Night]-debate further adjourned.

Committee - Petty Sessions Clerks (Ireland) Motion agreed to; Bill read 22 accord- (41)-R.P. ingly, and committed to a Committee of the Whole House on Tuesday the 24th

QUESTIONS. instant.



MR. RYLANDS asked the Under SeMoved, for a print of the Irish Land Bill, cretary of State for the Colonies, Whe1870, as read a first time in the House of Lords, ther Sir Owen Lanyon is still retained showing hy difference of print or ink, or by in the service of the Crown in South both methods, the amendments made in the Bill | Africa; and, in that case, what are the wards became of such amendments

, i.e., whether duties which he now performs ? agreed to or disagreed to or further amended.-- MR. GRANT DUFF: Sir Owen (The Earl Cairns.)

Lanyon is on his way to Europe on leave EARL SPENCER said, he thought of absence. We believe him to be at such a Return rather unusual; but it was

this moment at Newcastle, in Natal, not the intention of the Government to ready to reply to any questions which offer any opposition to it. But there the Commission may think fit to address might be some difficulty in carrying it to him. out. He desired to know if the noble and learned Ear] wished to have a fac

ARMY (AUXILIARY FORCES)-REVIEW simile of the Bill, so as to show its com

OF SCOTTISH VOLUNTEERS BY THE plete history, or whether he only wished

QUEEN. the Bill to be shown with the Amend- MR. FRASER MACKINTOSH asked ments after it left the Commons and was the Secretary of State for War, Whepresented to their Lordships' House, and ther a Review of Scottish Volunteers the state in which it left on its return to will be held by Her Majesty at Edinthe other House ? He hoped the noble burgh this year; and, if so, on what and learned Earl would allow the words date ? to be added or otherwise.'

Mr. CHILDERS: In reply to my EARL CAIRNS said, all he wanted hon. Friend, I beg to state that Her was a print of the Bill as it was intro- Majesty authorizes me to inform the duced in that House, and as it was after- House that she hopes to hold a Review wards when sent back to the Commons. of the Scottish Volunteers in the Queen's Motion agreed to.

Park, at Edinburgh, on some day beOrdered to be laid before the House.

tween the 20th and 31st of August. House adjourned at half past Six VACCINATION ACTS_VACCINATION o'clock, till To-morrow, half

IN WORKHOUSES. past Ten o'clock.

MR. HOPWOOD asked the President of the Local Government Board, Whe

ther it be the fact that Dr. Stevens, one HOUSE OF COMMONS,

of the Inspectors appointed by the Department at the Board of Guardians for

St. Saviour's Southwark, recently sug. Thursday, 12th May, 1881.

gested that in future all children born in the workhouse should be vaccinated

before they were allowed to leave, howMINUTES.)-SELECT COMMITTEE-Extraordi

ever young they might be, and, in annary Tithe, nominated ; House of Commons

swer to questions, was clearly of opinion (Accommodation), nominated. Public Bills -- Ordered -- First Reading-Pier that the Guardians had the power to en. and Harbour Orders Confirmation (No. 2) * force this, even without the consent of [161]; Local Government Provisional Orders the mother upon admission.

It was Cottingham, &c.)* 162); Local Government pointed out to him that, in the opinion (Ireland) Provisional orders (Bandon, &c.) * of some medical men, this would be in:

163]; Parliamentary Registration * [165]. First Reading - Local Courts of Bankruptcy jurious to the mother, by causing much (Ireland) * [164].

mental anxiety, and that fatal cases of The Marquess of Salisbury

this kind had been known; but he replied that it would cause the mother still CROWN AGENTS FOR THE COLONIES

MEMORANDUM OF SIR PENROSE greater anxiety were the child to have

JULYAN. small pox; and, whether such a course of proceeding is justifiable by any, and

MR. ANDERSON asked the Under Sewhat, law ; and, if not, whether he will cretary of State for the Colonies, If there not at once express disapproval of it?

is in the Colonial Office a Memorandum MR. DODSON: I find that Dr. Stevens which Sir Penrose Julyan, whileone of the did suggest that children born in the Crown Agents for the Colonies, addressed workhouse should be vaccinated before to Sir Michael Hicks-Beach, explaining leaving; and that, subject to the opinion the position of the Office; if Copies of of the medical officer in any particular that Memorandum were sent to the Cocase, this should be done on the sixth lonies; and, if there is any objection to day after birth. Dr. Stevens did not ex- lay it upon the Table? press any opinion of his own as to whe- MR. GRANT DUFF: We cannot ther the Guardians could enforce this give this particular document, which is without the consent of the mother; but of a purely confidential character, prehe did refer to an opinion of the Poor pared by the orders of the late SecreLaw Board to the effect that they could. tary of State for his own information ; This opinion seems to have been given but, as the subject seems to excite some so far back as 1848.

interest, I will presently lay on the Table MR. HOPWOOD asked whether the Papers which will explain the duties and order was a legal one?

status of these officers more fully than MR. DODSON: The hon. and learned can be done by answers in this House. Member asks my opinion on a point of law. My own opinion is that vaccina

ACCIDENTS IN MINES--REPORT OF tion cannot be enforced in the circum

THE ROYAL COMMISSION. stances if the mother objects.

MR. MACDONALD asked the Secre

tary of State for the Home Department, CRIMINAL LAW-RE-PUBLICATION If there be any prospect of the Royal OF THE “ FREIHEIT."

Commission which was appointed to MR. BELLINGHAM asked the Se- inquire into the prevention of accidents cretary of State for the Home Depart

in ‘mines several years ago making a ment, If it is a fact that, under the Report this year before the close of the auspices of the Social Democratic Club,

Session ; and, whether he is aware that the “ Freiheit" has reappeared as an

a similar Commission was appointed English instead of a German newspaper;

some time ago in Belgium, and that the whether Herr Most's famous article on Belgian Commission reported in one the Assassination of the Tsar, for which he year and six months from date of its has been prosecuted by the Government, appointment? has been reprinted in English under the

Sir WILLIAM HARCOURT, in retitle of Regina v. Most; whether the ply, said, he had a letter from the paper states that the publication is in Secretary of the Commission, who said tended as an answer to the attempt to that before the end of the Session he suppress "our German contemporary;"

." would present a preliminary Report, and, whether Her Majesty's Govern- along with a valuable boży of evidence. ment intend to take any steps in the The Secretary gave as a reason why the matter?

proceedings of the scientific inquiry had Sir WILLIAM HARCOURT: I be been so much prolonged that it had been lieve that there is such a paper as that necessary to repeat the experiments on alluded to by the hon. Member's Ques- the safety lamps and coal dust in vation, and that an English translation of

rious districts. With reference to the the article referred to did appear in that Belgian Commission, it only indicated paper. The article professes to appear the inquiry, and suggested the employ

I in the form of a report of the proceed- ment of a permanent Commission. ings in the Bow Street Police Court. In answer to the last Question, I have NATIONAL EDUCATION (IRELANDto say that I do not think it desirable to

TEACHERS OF JODEL SCHOOLS. take any steps in this matter-at all

MR. JUSTIN M-CARTHY asked the events, until after the trial of Most. Secretary to the Treasury, If, on the

compulsory retirement of the extern |ral rule for their guidance. Each case teachers attached to the various model must stand on its own individual merits. schools in Ireland on the 31st of March MR. HEALY asked whether any inlast, the Commissioners of Education structions had been given by the Gorecommended teachers having a length-vernment on the subject ? ened period of service (ten years and

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR over) to the Lords of the Treasury for a IRELAND (Mr. Law): None, so far as gratuity or superannuation allowance, I know. and if such gratuity or allowance has been made to the extern teachers or to PRISONS (ENGLAND) ACT-FIRSTany of them; and, if not, whether the CLASS MISDEMEANANTS. Treasury would take the case of this respectable and deserving body of teachers State for the Home Department, Whe

MR. HEALY asked the Secretary of into consideration ? LORD FREDERICK CAVENDISH:

ther Colonel Valentine Baker, when inExtern teachers are persons employed prisoned for twelve months, was treated for five to seven hours a-week in teach

as a first-class misdemeanant, and wheing singing or drawing at model schools. ther as such he was not allowed to read At the beginning of 1881 there were any newspapers, English, Irish, Colonial, ;

or Foreign, illustrated or otherwise, that these have been dispensed with after he chose to pay for; whether English prifour months' notice had been given. soners who are merely suspected of crime

are while awaiting trial only allowed I have described upwards of 10 years, to provide themselves with London daily

, as stated by the hon. Member, and

and a paper newspapers

from their own

were recommended by the Commissioners of locality; and, whether in case the London National Education for a grant of public weekly newspapers, or the “ Newcastle money. It is impossible to grant them Chronicle," the “ Graphic,” or the “ Il


lustrated London News," as

were sent to for regular model school teachers, who, such prisoners by their friends, these I may remind the House, are not civil papers would be stopped by the prison

officials ? servants. It did not appear to the Trea

SIR WILLIAM HARCOURT: The sury that the occasional character of their employment would warrant the case to which the hon. Member refers grant of a gratuity from public funds. occurred before the prisons passed under They received ample notice that their the control of the Government; and, services would no longer be required.

therefore, I cannot state what course was taken by the local authorities in that

With regard to the treatment of PEACE PRESERVATION (IRELAND) English prisoners before trial, the ques

ACT, 1881-ARMS LICENCES. tion as to what newspapers shall be supMR. HEALY: In the absence of the plied to them lies within the discretion Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant

of the Visiting Committee. What view of Ireland, I wish to ask the Attorney Newcastle Chronicle and of the other

the Visiting Committee may take of The General for Ireland, If he will state whether the Government approve the newspapers to which the hon. Member refusal of arms licences in Ireland on

refers, I am, of course, quite unable to the ground that the applicants are Land state. Leaguers ? THE ATTORNEY GENERAL FOR


RIGHT. the provisions of the Arms Act, the issue MR. J. R. YORKE asked the Secreof licences for arms is left within the tary of State for the Home Department, jurisdiction of the magistrates, who issue whether, in the case of a Petition of or refuse them in the exercise of their Right by an individual seeking to rediscretion in the several cases which strain an interference, or threatened come before them, acting on their own interference, by the War Department, responsibility without interference on or any other Department of the State, the part of the Government. I must, with his private property, it is the practherefore, decline to lay down any gene- tice that a “fiat” should issue forth

Mr. Justin M Carthy



with, or whether Her Majesty's Govern- a great National Assembly, and that he ment assume to themselves the discretion will submit to it the conditions upon of advising Her Majesty to delay or which he will consent to remain. Should withhold the “fiat," at the risk of a these conditions not be accepted, he says differing or negation of justice to the that he will abdicate. General Ehrenroth subject, within the meaning of Magna has been appointed Minister, and the Charta ?

elections to the Assembly are to take SIR WILLIAM HARCOURT, in place in July. reply, said, there had been no departure from Magna Charta in the cases referred FRANCE-NEW TREATY OF COMMERCE to. The same rule was observed that had been observed for centuries. The

(NEGOTIATIONS). Government had no right arbitrarily to

LORD JOHN MANNERS asked the refuse a Petition of Right. A case for Under Secretary of State for Foreign a Petition of Right first went before the Affairs, Whether the Government have Secretary of State, who referred it to received any Memorials or Resolutions tho Attorney General for his advice. from Chambers of Commerce deprecating The question whether it shouid be the renowal of the French Treaty of granted or not was referred to the At-Commerce on unfavourable conditions ; torney General; and every care

and, if so, whether he will lay them taken not to deprive an applicant of an upon the Table of the House ? opportunity of enforcing any right he

SIR CHARLES W. DILKE: Memomight have to redress.

There were,

rials and Resolutions have been rehowever, some rights which could not ceived from Chambers of Commerce, exbe enforced.

pressing various opinions with regard to

the renewal of the French Treaty of BULGARIA (POLITICAL AFFAIRS)

Commerce, and they will be laid on the PROCLAJATION OF PRINCE

Table in due course with the rest of the ALEXANDER.

Papers relating to this subject. I have LORD EDMOND FITZMAURICE

to-day laid on the Table some important asked the Under Secretary of State for Correspondence with the French Amasked the Under Secretary of State for bassador and Lord Lyons respecting the Foreign Affairs, If he has any information in regard to the political crisis in promulgation of the General Tariff. Bulgaria, and the rumoured intention of Prince Alexander to resign ?


TARIFF-THE COBDEN TREATY. Under Secretary of State for Foreign Mr. W. H. SMITH asked the Under Affairs, Whether it is true, as stated in Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, the public prints, that at Sofia the Prince If he will lay upon the Table of the of Bulgaria has violently subverted the House, a Return showing the difference Constitution duly established with the between the duties prescribed by the sanction of the Powers under the Treaty so-called Cobden Treaty with France of Berlin, and attempted to usurp com- and the Conventional Tariff on the impleto authority; if so, whether Her Ma- portation of British Goods which is now jesty's Government have yet taken any in force, as the result of the most faaction in the matter; and, whether Her voured nation clauses of the existing Majesty's Consul General at Sofia will Commercial Treaty ? hold any diplomatic intercourso with the MR. CIIAMBERLAIN, in reply, said, usurper, beyond warning him of the tho Returns would have to be prepared personal responsibility which he incurs? by the Board of Trade, and if the right

Sir CHARLES W.DILKE: I greatly hon. Gentleman would move for them regrot to say that the statements which he might have them as unopposed. have appeared in the newspapers are Perhaps, at the same time, he might true. Her Majesty's Agent at Sofia has reply to a Question on the same subject, telegraphed that the Proclamation of of which Notice had been given by the Prince of Bulgaria states that for the hon. Member for Manchester (Mr. two years he has endeavoured to govern Birley). The hon. Member was aware in accordance with the Constitution, that the General Tariff was promulgated but that he finds that the country is in on the 8th instant, and on the 10th ina state of disorder ; that he will convoke stant a comparative Return was sent to


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