see the entire of the persons present, as I made it a point to attend to the speakers. I can tell some parts of a few of the speeches. I took a few notes. I took them on that day [day of meeting]. I can speak from memory of the Rev. Mr. Tierney's speech. He spoke very briefly. A gentleman followed him who was called Counsellor M'Mahon. Next Mr. O'Neill Daunt. I forgot to mention that the Chairman was speaking when I went on the platform. Captain Seaver was the Chairman. A Mr. Jackson spoke also at the meeting, and a Mr. Conway, the Editor of the Newry Examiner. I took short notes of what the Rev. Mr. Tierney said. He said the Union was carried by every species of fraud and corruption. In consequence of the crushing I got, I could not write any more of what he said. I recollect seeing the Rev. Mr. Tierney some time before the meeting took place. I saw him convenient to his own house. He lives in the townlands of Slisnaganchin. I had a conversation with him about the meeting. I was instructed to inquire of Mr. Tierney, in consequence of the many reports, when the meeting would take place. I went to ask him if he would have the kindness to let me know when the meeting would take place. As nearly as I can recollect, when I went to him, the conversation was this. He said, the day was not yet fixed; that it depended upon the convenience of some barristers, to whom he had written, to attend. He adverted to the Union; and he repeated that it had been fraudulently carried. He said it was not binding; he represented it to be a nullity and a concoction; that it was not binding upon conscience. He said that the feeling towards Repeal was becoming general; that it had extended itself to the army; that the army were favourable to repeal, and partook of the enthusiasm of the people; and that they could not be so easily led to spill the blood of their fellow-men by the bayonet, for seeking redress of their grievances peaceably. I remember him speaking as to what the army had done in Spain. That was on the 16th of June.

Mr. Moore. I object to the Witness being examined as to a private conversation occurring so long before the meeting. We came here prepared to meet certain overt acts stated in the indictment. One of those overt acts is the meeting of the 15th of August, but we are not in any manner apprised, either by the bill of particulars or by the indictment, of a conversation alleged to have taken place two months before the meeting. If the Crown is at liberty to give evidence of a conversation occurring two months before the meeting, it might go back ten years before it; I do not know anything that would make any difference with regard to time. It is hard to be prepared to repel anything this witness said, not being apprised that such evidence was to be given.

The LORD CHIEF JUSTICE.-The conversation is a declaration by one of the parties himself respecting the preparation for a meeting that had been spoken of as known, and that was to take place. The Witness, desiring to attend, asked to be informed at what time it was to take place. He went to Mr. Tierney himself for the purpose of inquiring, and he was told that he could not say exactly, but that it

would be held shortly, for he had written to certain barristers who were to attend, but there was some uncertainty as to when they could come. Surely this has some reference to the part Mr. Tierney took at Clontibret, which is one of the overt acts alleged against Mr. Tierney.

Mr. Smyly. You just began to say something about what Mr. Tierney said respecting the soldiers in Spain.

Did Mr. Tierney say anything more? He did; the conversation might have lasted about a quarter of an hour; but I cannot charge my memory with everything that occurred.

Do you recollect anything more? He spoke about the Association; he said if it did not ultimately attain its object, it would, at least, have done thus much-that the country would get something else besides bayonets.

JUDGE PERRIN.-Repeat that-repeat what he did say? He said that the Association, even if it should not finally or ultimately succeed in attaining its object, it had done so much at least, that the country would get other measures than the bayonet; or words to that effect.

By Mr. Smyly.-About what number attended the meeting of the 15th of August? It is very difficult to form an estimate.

Can you make a guess at the number? I mentioned before that I did not see all the people there, as my attention was directed off from them; I heard persons say there were 30,000.

Cross-examined by MR. MOORE.

I am stationed in the parish of Clontibret. I have been quartered there since 1841. Mr. Tierney is the Roman Catholic clergyman of the parish. I cannot say how long he has been so. There was not any person with me when I had the conversation with Mr. Tierney on the 16th of June. When I first went up to Mr. Tierney he was in conversation with another man, who went away as soon as he saw me approaching. I do not think he could have heard anything that subsequently occurred. There were some persons working in an adjoining field a few perches off, but it is my impression that they did not hear anything that we said. I rather think they did not hear us, for Mr. Tierney did not speak in a very loud voice. I cannot speak for certain on the matter, but I have no doubt upon my own mind but that the people in the field did not hear us. They were more than ten yards off. I can write. I was at the meeting in question, and I was dressed in my policeman's clothes. I was on the platform, and I took some notes of what was said. I have them with me. I made a short note in my diary of my conversation with Mr. Tierney, on the 16th of June. I have a copy of it with me. The diary is at the station, in the care of the senior constable. The note is to this effect: "Friday, 16th of June, saw "Priest Tierney on the subject of the Clontibret Repeal meeting, who "said that the period was not fixed as yet, and that it depended on "the convenience of barristers who were to attend, and who would "give the authorities sufficient notice, &c., &c., &c." That is the

whole of what I took down on the subject of the meeting. There is not a word of Mr. Tierney's having spoken about Repeal and Spain in my diary. I have no note of the conversation with regard to Spain and the army. When I understood I was to be examined from Captain Johnston, I took a sort of note of it. That was some time in October. I am not a Roman Catholic. I knew Mr. Tierney before the 16th of June. He knew me to be a policeman. I had on my uniform on the 16th.

Mr. Moore. Has Mr. Tierney ever assisted you in keeping the peace in the parish? If Mr. Tierney wishes me to speak of any assistance he has given me, or if the Court should deem it expedient that I should do so, I will tell you; otherwise I would not wish to reveal what I consider to be a secret.

The CHIEF JUSTICE.-The Court has no objection to your making any statement you please, in reference to what you have been asked.

Witness. He has assisted me, inasmuch as he has sent for me, and given me information in reference to the concealing of a birth, and

Mr. Moore. We do not want to hear anything about that. Go on, and say in what other way he has assisted you? He also gave me information about another girl deserting her child. There were magistrates at the meeting at Clontibret. I saw Mr. Plunket and Mr. Golden there, but they were not on the platform. There were military and police there, but I do not know who sent them. I do not recollect having heard that they were sent to the meeting at the request or suggestion of Mr. Tierney, but I will not swear that I did not hear it. The meeting was a peaceable one. I saw no violence of any sort at the meeting, but I could not say how long it lasted. I took the note now produced while the meeting was held. It has nothing in it with reference to the resolutions moved, or to any petition read. Captain Seaver was in the chair. Captain Wilcocks, Mr. Plunkett, Mr. Goold, and Mr. Hamilton, the magistrates, were there also.

WILLIAM THOMPSON sworn, and examined by MR. Baker.

I am a Head Constable of Police. I was stationed at Clontibret last August, and was present at the Repeal meeting. I was on duty, and on the platform. I heard the several speakers distinctly. I was on the platform when Captain Seaver, the Chairman, spoke, and I heard him. I took a note of what he said, but I could not undertake to say what the precise words were. I heard him ask: "Whether "they had all got Repeal cards, and if not, they should lose no time "in getting them, for he had reason to know that other associations "had sigus and passwords by which they might know each other, "and why should not they ?" The Chairman also said, "I know no "other better way of your knowing each other, than your getting "Repeal cards." The Chairman afterwards desired the meeting to go home quietly, and insult no person. I also heard Mr. O'Neil Daunt speak, and took a note of what he said. He commenced by

saying "I bless God I belong to this land, and to this people. You, "the people, should have this land if you are worthy, and who dare say that you are not ?" I heard Mr. Daunt also say, "the Repeal "now or never. Now and for ever-if Peel and Wellington came "and said, we will give you everything you want, only give up "Repeal,' we would tell them we would not-never." I also heard him say in another part of his speech, "Before God we swear they "shall not bully us longer. If we had an Irish Parliament once we "would have the power to keep it; but we must now stand to our "colours, and persevere in the course O'Connell pointed out to us; "then in place of six struggles or battles for Repeal, one will do for "all."

Did he say anything more? Yes, he said: "Are we not as good as the English ?" A voice said, "better." "We are here to day, "to tell John Bull that we shall have it. Ireland shall be free, for Ire"land deserves her liberty. The Clontibret boys will fight the Repeal "battle to the last, with God's blessing, to stand to our colours for Re"peal, and nothing but Repeal."

Is that the whole of it? It is.

Did you hear other speakers address the assembly? I did.

Who did you hear? I heard Mr. M'Mahon; he was introduced as Counsellor M'Mahon; he spoke to a resolution which was moved by the Rev. Thomas Tierney.

Do you know any of the gentlemen who are traversers here? Yes. Did you see any of them at that meeting? I saw the Rev. Mr. Tierney, but none other of the traversers.

Cross-examined by MR. HENN.

Were you on the platform? I was when I took part of the notes, but not when I took the whole. I was on the ground when I took the part relating to Mr. O'Neill Daunt. I took Captain Seaver's on the platform. He spoke loud. So did Mr. Daunt. I was in uniform when I was taking the notes. There were but three police there in uniform. There were others at a distance from the platform. I saw no magistrates immediately at the platform; they were at some distance. I was at the end of the platform; it might have been two or three yards from it when I heard Mr. Daunt speak. Struggles, not battles, was the word he used. The meeting was perfectly quiet. It was most peaceable. I was on the platform in uniform. There was no objection to my taking notes there. I spoke to a person who was pushing up, and said: "You will see the account in the newspapers in a day or two," and he replied: "No doubt; but we do not want to see the notes you take of it." All was perfectly quiet and tranquil.

James Walker sworn, and examined by MR. NAPIER.

I am a Sub-Inspector of Constabulary. I am stationed in the neighbourhood of Tara, at Trim, in the county of Meath. I remember the 15th of August, the day of the meeting at Tara. I was there that day. There were two other officers of the constabulary with

me. I was there under the command of Captain Despard, Stipendiary magistrate. Captain Despard was there. I was on the ground before the meeting commenced; when on the ground I saw part of the people coming; they approached to the meeting from all directions; there were probably 100,000 persons present. I observed music and banners. There were also bands. The bands generally had certain uniforms. I saw a harp, but I did not hear it played. I knew Mr. O'Connell before. I saw Mr. O'Connell there. I did not see any of the other traversers there. I was there nearly an hour before he arrived, and the people were coming to the meeting from various directions. There was a platform erected before Mr. O'Connell arrived. It was down from the church fifty or sixty perches or Mr. Despard was there at the time.

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Cross-examined by MR. CLOSE.

I was for some hours through the crowd that day. Their demeanour was perfectly peaceable. I observed females there. There were many carriages, and a good number of ladies. The bands were temperance bands. For a considerable time before that meeting they dressed in fancy dresses.

GEORGE DESPARD sworn, and examined by SERGEANT WARREN.

I was in the constabulary. I am now resident Magistrate in the county of Meath. I recollect the 15th of August; I was in the town of Trim; that morning there was an assemblage of people, who formed in Trim, and marched through the town, in ranks four deep towards Tara, which is about six Irish miles from Trim. There were bands in carriages preceding them. There were persons who had wands who assumed command. I heard some of them say, "keep your ranks"-"keep your step." I went to Tara by a different road. Not the twentieth part of the persons assembled passed through Trim. I knew a man there from Kildare. There were men from Tipperary, Wexford, Dublin, and Westmeath there. One man told me he came from Nenagh, another from Wexford-I knew this only because they told me so. I was at Tara some time before Mr. O'Connell came there. Various parties marched up in procession with bands playing and banners flying, but not perhaps as regularly as they passed through Trim. It would be impossible to form an accurate estimate of the numbers. My own opinion is, that there were 100,000 persons present, at least. Perhaps in saying so, I am under the mark. I calculated there were about 7,000 horsemen. I counted nineteen bands. I did not see any persons on the Hill of Tara assuming the command. Mr. O'Connell's procession came up at two o'clock. When he got on the platform a great many people crowded on it, and I think within an hour and a half, a sudden movement took place, and they all went away in bodies of 20,000, as if there was a pre-concerted plan. They separated about four o'clock, in the ordinary way a crowd would separate. I heard some observations. I was standing on a ditch as Mr. O'Connell came by, when a respectable, well-dressed man turned to me and said: "It is not gen.