tlemen O'Connell wants here to-day." I turned and looked at him, and asked what he wanted? he said, "he wants men with bone and sinew, that will be able to do the work when it comes." Mr. Walker, the Sub-Inspector, and Major Westenra, were standing near me. I said: "I suppose men like those frieze-coated fellows there." Just so, said he. May I ask you, said I, where you came from? I came from the barony of Shilmalier, in the county of Wexford. I said, "pray, did many come with you?" "Yes," said he, "two thousand came from Wexford, and three thousand joined us in Kildare." When Mr. O'Connell's procession had passed by, he said: "you did not take off your hat to Mr. O'Connell; you do not belong to our party." "Certainly not," said I. He said, "I knew by the curl of your lip you did not." I said; "I am very glad to hear that your eyes told you so much truth, I am only amusing myself; I do not belong to any party." He said: "Oh! no matter, we will let you come on the field, for all that." A countryman then came up, and said to him: "you do not know that gentleman; you had better leave him alone." They said, when they saw Major Westenra, "Long life to the furriner." I think they mistook Major Westenra for a foreigner, on account of his moustache. "We can't get Repeal without them; long life to Leather Roland." I afterwards found out, it was Mr. Ledru Rollin they meant.

Cross-examined by Mr. HATCHEll.

I do not reside in Trim, I slept there the night before; I was desired to attend there; it is my duty to attend all public meetings of the kind; I saw the people move from Trim; I went to the head of the town to make a calculation; I have been twenty years stationed in that district; I generally attend fairs, petty sessions, quarter sessions; I am well known both by men, women, and children; I am sure they all know me except those who came from Westmeath; I went to the end of the town, and I jumped on a wall and stood there; they did not give me a cheer; I am afraid they did not think me their general; they saw me perfectly well; the band preceded them; I reside in the county; Rathline is the nearest village to me; the Trim band is the nearest band; it was dressed in a new uniform before that; I saw them on the Patrick's day before; I saw the uniform made up in the tailor's shop where I happened to go on some business; I never saw them in that uniform before; I heard a man say, "keep the step," and another, "keep the ranks;" they did not keep the step, and I do not think they knew how to do it; I went from that to Dunsany and from that to Tara; I walked over to the hill; I heard there were twenty-one bands there; Mr. Walker was there in coloured clothes; He came up with me from Trim; there was no policeman in uniform there; Major Westenra was with me the whole time; he came from Trim for curiosity; I have seen the Hon. and Rev. Mr. Taylor; I did not see him there; there were many respectable looking carriages; there were several ladies; Major Westenra is not here, that I know of; he left the meeting

with me; I never saw him since; I never heard he was dead, and I therefore suppose he is alive.

Mr. Hatchell. Was not the Shilmalier man humbugging you when he asked you if you would not take off your hat for Mr. O'Connell? I do not know, I told him I would not take off my hat. Then you are not particularly fond of Mr. O'Connell ? I have nothing to do with Mr. O'Connell.

Now I will ask you a serious question, and I do not care how you answer it, are you a Repealer? I will answer you as seriously, I am not.

I never heard the name of the Wexford man. I do not know whether he was humbugging me or not, but if he was he met with the wrong man to humbug. I was surprised when he told me about the 2000 men coming from Shilmalier. I did not ask his name. I never was in Shilmalier. I do not know the population of it, nor did I look for the population of it. I suppose it is forty miles from Tara. I did not know it was upwards of thirty miles. I cannot tell the distance. He did not say he came through Dublin, but he said he came through Kildare. He did not tell where the 2000 men slept. I do not know whether he spoke the truth. Very likely he did not. I have only his word for it. I believed it at the time, and I have no doubt that he brought a large body with him. Mr. Walker was close to me. Neither I nor Major Westenra grew pale when we heard it. The man spoke loud. He was near me on the ditch, and he did not make a secret of it. Mr. O'Connell was still speaking when the crowd began to go. There were two platforms. I do not know whether one of them was appropriated to the ladies. My attention was not particularly drawn to that. There was no appearance of any disturbance, nor tendency to it. The people were walking and talking, and amusing themselves. I got on the ditch to see Mr. O'Connell. I did not look out for the Shilmalier boys. This interview took place as Mr. O'Connell's procession was coming up. It was nearly one o'clock. I made a report of these proceedings. Mr. Walker was near me, and must have heard what took place. I did not understand that any Chartists were present. I saw in a paper that Chartists had been sent there to create disturbance. I did not hear Mr. O'Connell or his friends denounce Chartists at the meeting. I heard I was denounced myself, and I saw it in a paper. I was very glad to get rid of the man, and I did not get him watched. The ditch where I stood was very far from the platform; several hundred yards from it. It might have been a quarter of an English mile. I know that the men in different counties wear different friezes. I saw Meath, Westmeath, Kildare, and Cavan frieze there. The county Meath people know me very well. A number of people were there who knew me. Mr. Walker was on my right, and the man was on my left hand. There were no persons whom I knew there.

JOHN ROBINSON, sworn, and examined by MR. BENnett.

I am a Constable. I was at a meeting at Clifden. On Sunday, the 15th of September; it is in Connemara. I think at least between 4,000 and 5,000 were there. I saw persons passing the barrack going

to the meeting. The barrack was a hundred yards from the place of meeting, which was on a flat field. There was elevated land near it. I first saw the Rev. Mr. M'Namara, Roman Catholic curate, mounted on horseback, and a hundred persons behind him. They moved about four or five abreast. To the best of my recollection, I saw Repeal cards in their hats; I saw them quite convenient to me. I heard people telling they were the Ballinakill Repeal cavalry. At the lowest calculation there were a hundred horsemen. There were a good many on foot. I saw Mr. Murray, a pawnbroker from Galway, there. He was in a gig, dressed in a green frock, made of calico or silk, and a large scarf of the same colour embroidered with gold. He wore a very large Repeal card. He had a green ribbon round his hat, which was a straw hat. About a hundred or more mounted, and three hundred or four hundred on foot, were following him. The footmen did not walk in order at this time. When the procession was going to the platform, they were walking in better order. They walked abreast, and more regularly. Those following Mr. Murray had Repeal cards in their hats. Murray's card was three times as large as the others. To the best of my recollection, there was a shamrock on it. It was green. I saw several parties of horsemen besides those, but I cannot tell who they were headed by. They groaned, and shouted for Repeal as they passed the barrack. I think there were 1000 mounted men there. Mr. M'Namara belongs to Ballinakill parish. I did not hear Mr. O'Connell speak that day. I saw him in a carriage, Mr. Steele at the back of the carriage, and as the people shouted, Mr. O'Connell waved his cap. He was in front of the carriage, and Mr. Steele was in it.

Cross-examined by MR. FITZGIBBON.

I spoke of Thomas Murray, I know him well. He is a respectable man, and is considered wealthy. They were all Connemara horses the people rode, who followed Murray. Some of them carried double. Two men, and sometime a man and woman on others. Some of them had saddles or pillions. They were all Connemara people. They were all very quiet. I did not leave the door of the barracks. It was open. The police were walking in and out. Captain Ireland was in barrack, but did not keep to the barrack. His own house was between the place of meeting and the barrack. There were a great many women, children, and gorsoons, and a vast number of barefooted people there. It was a countryman who told about the Ballinakil cavalry. I did not know him. He was in a kind of a trot. They had no carbines nor weapons. He was walking. They had bridles. They had no bits. They had no carbines nor weapons of any description. I did not remark that any of them had suggawns I saw saddles made of sedge. Those that were after those with Mr. M'Namara had all leather saddles.

Re-examined by MR. BENNETT.

All those who were with Mr. M'Namara had saddles. There were some with Mr. Murray who had saddles.

WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 24TH.

Mr. Justice Burton was absent from indisposition.

JAMES HEALY examined by the ATTORNEY-GEneral.

I am a Sub-Constable in the Constabulary. I was at the meeting at Mullaghmast, which took place on the 1st of October. I went to the meeting early that day. I remained there during the day and part of the night. I am stationed at Cork, and I went from Cork there. I think there were about 250,000 at that meeting. I was on the central part of the field, and I was along the road when the procession was coming up. The crowd which came before Mr. O'Connell came up in a very boisterous manner; shouting, screeching, and driving all before them. Those that came with him were very regular. Those that were hurraing and screeching arrived, I think, from Carlow and Kilkenny at an earlier hour than Mr. O'Connell. The people came from all directions. The principal part came through "the long avenue." I saw a number of bands; I think about thirty. Some were dressed in uniform resembling the hussars and lancers. I saw several documents circulated amongst the people. I saw the document now handed to me. This document was purchased by another person. I bought a similar one myself. The price, I believe, is only a halfpenny, but I paid a penny for it. I should think several thousands of these were purchased by the crowd. I heard nothing said when they were purchased. I tore up the one I bought myself. A Sub-Inspector of Police purchased the other. His name is John Donovan. I think the several thousand documents, of which I spoke, were the same as that which I bought. There were persons disposing of the documents from an early hour in the morning till nightfall, I saw Mr. O'Connell and Mr. Steele at the meeting. They arrived, I think, between two and three o'clock. I saw a great many persons with labels upon their hats, bearing the inscription "O'Connell's police." They had pieces of timber in their hands, five or six feet long. They were quite small, like wands. I saw flags and banners at the meeting. There was one with the words No Saxon Threats, No Irish Slaves, No Compromise but Repeal. These inscriptions were upon a flag belonging, I believe, to the Castlecomer colliers. I do not know whether they were the Castlecomer colliers, but I heard persons say they were. Upon another flag were the words, Border Men, greet O'Connell, Cead mille failtha. Upon several others were the words, Repeal, and We tread the Land that bore us. Near the platform was a banner with the words, The Queen, O'Connell, and Repeal. On another was the inscription, Ireland dragged at the Tail of another Nation. I observed one attached to a private carriage with the words, Repeal and no Separation. On another, near the pavilion, were the words, Fixity of Tenure, the Farmer's Right. On another, Mullaghmast and its Martyrs a Voice from the Grave. On another was a dog, with a harp and something which I cannot describe before it. I saw the words, No Saxon Butchery shall give

Blood-gouts for a Repast; the Dog is roused, and Treachery expelled from Mullaghmast. I think the words God save the Queen, or The Queen, God bless her, were underneath. The platform was occupied about two hours, but the meeting did not then separate. Some remained until morning. I heard no observations amongst the people, except shouting for Repeal and old Ireland, and words to that effect.

Cross-examined by MR. MACDONAGH.

I heard no expressions amongst the crowd except those which I have mentioned. I went amongst the crowd very much that day in the discharge of my duty, and minutely examined what was going on. I listened attentively to every thing.

You mingled with the groups of people? Yes.

And listened to what they were saying? Yes, to anything I could catch.

And all you did catch was "Repeal and old Ireland," although you were there during the meeting, and from eight o'clock until the next morning? I was there from the evening before the meeting to eleven o'clock at night, after the meeting.

I presume you were sent from Cork to the meeting because you were a stranger? I do not know; it may have been the reason.

Was it not a very peaceable assemblage? Yes, so far as I have seen there was no riot or breach of the peace from morning until night; all was very quiet in that respect.

And you answer me in the affirmative that there was no riot throughout the day? There was nothing except shouting for Repeal.

When you told the Attorney-General that parties remained there that night, you meant, I presume, at the banquet; they were enjoying themselves in the tents, I presume? Yes.

In peace and quiet? As far as I saw.

Were not the bands which arrived from Carlow and Kilkenny, temperance bands? I think they were.

You have come from the south of Ireland; now have you seen any of the processions of Father Matthew? Yes, a great many of them. And temperance bands were at those processions? Yes.

How many bands have you seen at a time in his processions? I have seen more bands than I saw at Mullaghmast.

How many have you seen at a time? I have seen forty-five at a time. When did you see them? On the day of the Cork temperance procession.

How many thousand people were in that procession? I cannot exactly say; I should think about 300,000.

Did the temperance bands wear uniform? Some did.

Had they flags and banners? Some had; very small ones; I cannot call them flags.

I presume there were inscriptions upon them? Oh! yes, all connected with the temperance movement, as I believe.

I presume those processions are common in the south of Ireland? Very common.

How long have you been in the constabulary? Twelve years.