Buildings, and we have been provided shuttle service between there and the Government Printing Office for our night-time employees. This is a good step in the right direction. It will help until we can get built buildings that you can park your car.

We hear, it is distressing, they want to move the Government Printing Office to the outskirts. We wholeheartedly would back such a move but to do this is to run away from the problem that faces the District of Columbia. If you can't lick them, in other words, join them. We don't believe in that. We believe that you should lick the problem in the District on crime and then you won't have to spend many millions of dollars in building a new Government Printing Office in order to get away from the problem. Let's cure the problem instead of running away from it.

We do feel that some of the officials, as I have touched on a few minutes ago on the City Council that has been appointed by the President, one official, I won't mention his name, he knows who he is, cast a very serious slanderous aspersion on myself and the vice president of this union and our union. He said we are irresponsible officers of an irresponsible union, and what he meant by that was

Mr. BROYHILL. Who made that statement?

Mr. HINES. We had one of the officials of the District of Columbia making his statement.

Mr. DowDY. Put his name in the record if you don't mind.

Mr. HINES. His name is Mr. Murphy because we had audacity to go over his head and the Mayor and City Council to send the telegram which we sent and to raise as much hell as we did about the Government Printing Office and our protection, and I assure you we will not have much of Mr. Murphy in the future until he apologizes. It is a crying shame, I think, if we cannot disagree in a gentlemanly manner to the extent of his saying that we are irresponsible. I think we are very responsible.

I was born and raised in this area and I do not condone such remarks from any official. I think that Mayor Washington is to be congratulated for his stand on some of the areas, and I think that the sooner he rids himself of some of the officials that surround him the better off he will be.

I would like to keep from talking too long and boring you any further with some of this stuff that may be repetitious. We do again appreciate the cooperation that we have gotten on this problem. I think what you should do is to hear from other members who represent the same union and one of our fellow members here who represents the Pressmen's Union who was a victim of a robbery attempt. One of the gentlemen who was kidnapped at gunpoint, I don't think is here today, is he? He was greatly alarmed that his name was used in the Congressional Record. He was afraid of repraisals, that if he appeared again that it may be begging another act against him and he said once is enough. He is not coming to stick his head in the noose again.

So with that I would like to turn it over to my colleagues, the vice president, Don Taylor to my right and Larry Rochon of the Chairman's Chapel, and they can fill you in with a little more information. Thank you.

Mr. DOWDY. Let me say this: We have a quorum call and we have several transit people, employees of D.C. Transit, Inc., who are here

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to testify. I will return after I answer the quorum call, as will other members of the Committee. W have a little time, 10 minutes or such go on, so, whichever one wants, may speak now.

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Mr. HINES. Right, we will let Larry Rochon have it.

Mr. ROCHON. I have here, Mr. Chairman, this is a sampling of just a few incidents since May 20, since everybody got riled up about these three gentlemen here being held up at pistol point, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. Nobody could take any more. I have already given to your counterpart in the Senate, Senator Byrd, in the District Committee, approximately 150 incidents. I have here, I have not counted them, I have just been stockpiling them.

Mr. DowDY. Over what period of time?

Mr. ROCHON. This is since May 20, 1968. And I know personally that I don't have them all because of the fact that a lot of people say "why turn them in? I have turned them in before and nothing has happened. So they won't turn them in.

Even since June 10th when our members, some of our members, have been fortunate enough to be able to park up here on the Senate and House lots evidently the criminal element has found out about it because as of last Friday night, July 26, 1968, on the Senate lot located over here by Union Station, a 1968 Ford Galaxie broken lock and forced open rear deck, removed new tire and wheel. This man signed his name to it and I happen to know this man very well because of his 1965 Ford Galaxie when it was 48 hours old they also did the same thing when he was parked in the vicinity of the Government Printing Office.

On the same night in the same Senate parking lot, 1968 Pontiac Tempest, station wagon, broken into, a new tire stolen from the rear well, and worst of all his golf clubs were stolen and his parking permit was also stolen, so we don't know now who would be driving in there with this parking permit issued.

I have with me four or five gentlemen who have actually gone through this. I myself have been very fortunate, I haven't been jumped yet, but a lot of nights you go in there and you say "is it my turn tonight or whose turn is it tonight?

I have here on my left Gordon Landes, deaf mute. They are even in a worse situation than we are because they can't hear anybody coming up behind them.

Mr. Landes is fortunate enough to be able to speak a little and also to hear a little but we have a lot of these people down here and they have a worse problem than we have.

I don't want to take up any more of your time, but would rather have these gentlemen who have lived through it relate it.

Mr. DowDY. All right.

Mr. SHIRLEN. Mr. Chairman, having been the victim of a hold up at gunpoint, and after living in the District of Columbia for 28 years, I feel that the time is upon us when it is dangerous to walk on the streets and that this is a deplorable situation that certainly if the laws of the land are enforced will be remedied, and I suggest that that happen, and that the judges and the judicial system of this country be granted authority, if they no longer have it; or encouraged to put it into effect to the fullest extent, and that we who work in the Government Printing Office be given places to park that are safe, with escorts, if necessary

in and out of the building, and lighted areas, with guards posted until the District of Columbia is restored to a normal situation.

Mr. MACHEN. Can I briefly ask one question, Mr. Chairman?

Mr. DOWDY. Yes.

Mr. MACHEN. Of you men here today how many of you have been victims of assault or a crime?

Mr. HINES. Five total.

Mr. MACHEN. Of those how many have there been apprehensions of the criminal involved in any of these cases?

Mr. HINES. To my knowledge, none. As are in many cases of the over 100 up until May, and as we say we have many numerous more that our people do not even bother reporting any more because they say they can't catch what is going on why add to the list. It just gives them more to work on and less time to get them.

Mr. BRINKMAN. My name is David Brinkman. I would just like to say I would like to see more parking provided for the GPO where you could walk at least across the street or something without getting robbed or assaulted or else if you come out of work at night you don't even expect to find your car there, it could be stolen or broken into. It is just a shame that you can't even walk across the street without running into some kind of trouble. I think there is enough, well not enough police but I feel that if they had more backing in the courts the situation wouldn't be as bad as it is.

Mr. DowDY. I think you are quite right. If the police won't be backed up in the courts by the city officials you could have 15,000 and it still wouldn't improve the situation.

Mr. BROYHILL. Mr. Chairman, you say we will meet with these people after the quorum call?

Mr. MACHEN. I want to make certain that representatives of the bus company understand, we have a quorum call which will take us about five minutes or so, but we will come back.

Mr. DOWDY. We will be back as soon as we can.

(Short recess.)

Mr. DownY. We will now proceed. I believe we were just fixing to hear this gentleman nearest to me.

Mr. HINES. Mr. Liogys.

Mr. LIOGYS. My name is Bronius Liogys. I was born in Europe, Lithuania. I went to Poland, Czechoslovakia, Germany, was in Korea, Japan, but I never was approached at a gunpoint like in the District of Columbia. And I think actually in Korea I had a better chance since I had an M-1 in my hand to defend myself. So I think I should have more protection.

Mr. LANDES. My fellow workman just asked me to come in and testify what has happened. My name is Gordon Landes and I am employed in the Government Printing Office on the night shift.

I did not want to come here very much, but I think I should because there are approximately about 200 deaf people working at the Government Printing Office which I communicate with my hands.

I would like to say this much: I was attacked about three blocks from the Office. I was walking down the street and this open convertible was driving in on the side of the sidewalk about 15, 20 miles

an hour. There were six people in the car. One of them jumped out with a pipe in his hands, it just happened so fast, and I believe to my knowledge, he was too high to give me a hard blow on the head, if it was I would have been dead today. His stomach was on top my head when I hit the ground. I got up very quick. Fortunately I know how to defend myself, I hit him pretty hard to knock him out.

The next guy came up and he hit me on the side of my arm. I was in a state of shock, I don't recall what I did, both of them were on the ground I saw fear in their eyes, when the car backed up the other guys jumped up from the car, from the side of the car and had an object in their hands. I panicked and I ran all the way to the Office. But I would like to say this much, I am only thinking about deaf people. It is not safe for them to walk in the District. They communicate with their hands. Anybody can see them communicate with their hands, they come up from behind them and attack them.

There are approximately 5,000 deaf people in the metropolitan area, Maryland and Virginia. I don't know what I should say actually because I think the District should be moved up now looking to get into a better bargaining position for employees where they work in the Government Printing Office and all other branches, not only there but people walking on the streets these days.

I can speak all afternoon and say what I want to say, but I just want to give specific information that should be known.

Mr. BROYHILL. That was a very effective presentation.

Mr. HINES. What he didn't say, being a deaf mute it is hard for him to hear, he can speak as you can see, what he didn't tell you is he is a karate expert and a black belt degree and he left two of those gentlemen who attacked him laying in the street, but you can see a man who has that ability to protect himself with five people after him it doesn't offer too much, and if he had stayed where he was they probably would have killed him or he would have killed them. There are about 200 deaf mute employees working in the Government Printing Office, majority at night.

Mr. LANDES. I think it is maybe 200 of them. I don't even know half of them. I have been introduced every night since I have been there for one year since yesterday.

Mr. URBAN. My name is Joseph R. Urban. On May 31, at 11:00 on my way to the night shift at the Printing Office I happened to look back after I had parked my car and I saw two characters seemed to be in a haste and I thought just like the expression, will it be my turn tonight, and then I thought this looks as if it is going to be my turn.

So I thought I would walk on and cross diagonally at this intersection and to an open corner where I thought they wouldn't bother me and I would wait for some other people to walk to the Printing Office which would be about three blocks.

As I was, as I had crossed about three-quarters of the intersection I heard running footsteps, more fortunate than this young man next to me, so I pretended I didn't know what they were running and I waited until they were close behind me and I turned suddenly and one of them confronted me and I hit him and knocked him down, and the other one got me from behind and I was flat on my back, I kicked, and swung, they kicked me in the side of the face. They got my wallet, all my keys, and they didn't get my watch, they broke my glasses and I

had to have all my locks at home changed, my family were in a dreadful fear that they would notice or know my address, knew all about me from the cards that were in my wallet.

And then 7 weeks later, the same night of the week, Friday, on this new shuttle system where we park our cars here, I happened to be parked at this one, I was on this bus at 1st and G Street, I happened to look out of the window and five or six young fellows, one of them looked 13 years old, and I saw him going through these motions as if he was throwing something and I thought, "Oh, no," then I found this object which was a beer bottle hit me in the face. The glass shattered and the man who worked with me in a bindery, his eye was injured by glass and he couldn't raise his eye for fear of damaging the eye more, and the nurse at GPO took the slivers out of my face and I continued to work.

But as the night went on my left eye started to bother me and a slight irritation, and when I got home I ate and I went to the Suburban Hospital and asked for them to look at my eye, my eye doctor doesn't— his office, he doesn't have offices on Saturday so this man, this doctor looked at my eye and he said there had been a piece of glass there because the eyeball of my eye was scratched, so I had to wear a bandage for two days and now I am afraid to walk across the street.

When I come down to the District I roll up my windows, when I approach the red light I watch there is no one in front of me or someone in back of me, so if one puts a gun behind me I can get away fast. When I park my car, I happen to have a private, I got to a private parking lot four days a week because it is an inconvenience to me in the morning parking over here because I have got to go through town and I want to get home to get my daughter to summer school so I use this private lot, and there have been incidents there, but there is a little more personal safety there, but still you have to watch.

When you pull in there you have got, we all look to see if there is someone behind us and someone in front of us, so the worse they can do is steal your tire or take your wheels off or break a window and go through the inside of your car.

Excuse me, that is all I have got to say on it.

Mr. DowWDY. Thank you.

Mr. MACHEN. There never has been any apprehension of any of these people who molested you all?

Mr. URBAN. Pardon?

Mr. MACHEN. There never has been any arrest or apprehension? Mr. URBAN. No, there wasn't. The detective came to my home the next evening, he had a briefcase and I think he had three albums but I couldn't identify any of the pictures. But I did see the one man who when I stopped short and faced him I could identify him immediately but I don't think his picture was in any of those albums.

Mr. MACHEN. You think your officials are being hysterical when they complain about the crime rate in the District?

Mr. URBAN. My immediate officials were very much concerned and I would say my officials were immediately concerned and I think other people in the Government Printing Office are concerned where I work and I think this arrangement where the people park over here are the best arrangements now. But like Mr. Hines said before it looks as if we are backing away. We should get at the source of this trouble.