of the Treasury during the fiscal year 1942 resulting from Indian Service activities. (The statements referred to are as follows:) Reimbursable debts canceled Act of Mar. 4, 1931 (46 Stat. 1519), Gila River___. $995, 368. 12 H. Doc. 475 (72d Cong.), irrigation, Mar. 2, 1933- Tribal herds_. Irrigation. H. Doc. 202 (72d Cong.), Jan. 2, 1934, tribal herds and industrial equipment_._. H. Doc. 207 (74th Cong.), Dec. 1, 1934: Domestic and stock water development_. Water, miscellaneous surveys, and investigations_ Industrial advancement. Letter, Jan. 8, 1937 (unprinted): Industrial advancement. Total_ Allotments to Indian Service from emergency funds as of Mar. 1, 1943 Emergency conservation work (Civilian Conservation Corps, Indian Public works projects.. Civil Works Administration___ Indian relief and rehabilitation___. Miscellaneous: Submarginal land purchases (expended by Re $76, 107, 423 35, 614, 300 1, 922, 250 7,950, 770 settlement Administration) $3,537, 433 Allotments to Indian Service from national defense funds as of Mar. 1, 1943 Fire Protection of Forests, Forest Industries and Strategic Facilities (national defense) 1942-43 Emergency Fund for the President, National Defense (allotments to $185,000 21, 200 578, 100 Emergency fund, Territories and island possessions (national defense) Working fund, Interior, emergency $500,000 9, 459, 720 $9,959, 720 Allotments to Indian Service from national defense funds as of Mar. 1, 1943—Con. Miscellaneous revenues, other than trust funds, deposited in the Treasury during the Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Are there any further questions that the committee would like to ask before we go into the consideration of the bill by items? SALARIES AND EXPENSES Mr. FITZPATRICK. There is one question that I may have misunderstood with reference to salaries and general expenses. The question was, Are they higher or lower today than in previous years? You say they are lower than in 1932 but higher than in 1940. Now, the salaries and general expenses in 1940 were $148,700 less than this year. Mr. GREENWOOD. That is correct. I was speaking from the standpoint of the total amount appropriated. Mr. FITZPATRICK. I notice in the total amount appropriated that there is an increase for quite a few employees; but you are speaking of something else, not of that particular item? Mr. GREENWOOD. No; not of that particular item. For example, what I was intending to convey was that in 1940 the total appropriation to the Indian Service, for all purposes, was $36,839,639. For 1944 the estimate is $27,972,751, which is a reduction of $9,169,954. or a little over 25 percent. Mr. FITZPATRICK. I think the chairman was speaking about the number of personnel that you have placed in your department. I think he refers to the increase in the item of salary and general expenses. I notice there has been an increase every year since 1935. Mr. GREENWOOD. You are correct insofar as this appropriation item is concerned. EMPLOYEES ENTERING THE MILITARY SERVICES Mr. NORRELL. How many of your employees have you lost to the military service? Mr. GREENWOOD. We have lost about 700 throughout the Service. Mr. NORRELL. Are you filling these positions or permitting them to remain vacant? means. Mr. GREENWOOD. We have filled most of them, not all by any We are recruiting additional personnel. We have to do this. The Indian Service has been compelled to assume part of the work of Selective Service on the reservations. It also does a lot of work in connection with the rationing program. In a number of cases our own employees are acting as local boards to handle rationing. Mr. NORRELL. Do you have any trouble finding available manpower. Mr. GREENWOOD. Yes we do have difficulty. We find it difficult to get qualified people to fill the vacancies. DEFERMENT OF EMPLOYEES Mr. NORRELL. How many requests for deferment have you made? Mr. GREENWOOD. So far we have had actual deferment for two employees. We have pending 46 applications for deferment. AMOUNT OF APPROPRIATION REQUESTED FOR 1944 Mr. NORRELL. What is the total Indian population now in the United States? Mr. GREENWOOD. In the United States there are 370,000. There are 32,000 in Alaska. Mr. FITZPATRICK. What is the total amount of the appropriation from the Treasury? How much are we appropriating out of the Treasury for the benefit of this Indian population? Mr. GREENWOOD. If our estimate for the next fiscal year is approved, the total will be $27,972,751. Mr. FITZPATRICK. That is a reduction from last year. Mr. GREENWOOD. Yes; of approximately $748,000. Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Are there any further questions? Mr. CARTER. Does that include the tribal funds? Mr. GREENWOOD. No, sir. Mr. CARTER. You might put in the tribal funds for these 2 years. Mr. GREENWOOD. I will be glad to do so. Statement of tribal funds appropriated for 1943 and the 1944 estimate 1943 appropriation.. 1944 estimate.. $1, 685, 860 1, 539, 530 SALARIES, BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. The first item is for salaries, Bureau of Indian Affairs. Mr. GREENWOOD. I submit the following justification for this item: EXPLANATION OF INCREASES REQUESTED FOR 1944 Liaison office, $14,940.-Upon removal of the central office from the District of Columbia to Chicago, a liaison group was retained in Washington for the purpose of handling matters arising at that point as well as making contacts with other governmental and private organizations. This estimate is submitted to provide funds for payment of salaries for the following positions: 1 liaison officer, $5,600; 1 administrative assistant, $2,600; 1 senior clerk, $2,000; 1 secretary-clerk, $1,800; 1 assistant clerk-stenographer, $1,620; 1 messenger, $1,320. Reallocations, $5,000. This sum is required to meet increases in the salaries of certain positions that have resulted from the reallocation of such positions to higher grades. Reallocations are based upon material changes of duties and are approved only after careful investigations have been made by the Classification Officer of the Interior Department and by the Civil Service Commission. During the fiscal year 1942, the Department and the Commission approved new allocations for 37 positions, involving a net total increase in salaries of $10,600. Most of the reallocations resulted frrm the reorganization of the office mentioned above. While $10,600 is actually needed, only $5,000 is being requested; the remainder will be absorbed for the fiscal year 1944. Additional personnel, $51,820.-Personnel Division, $9,320: When the Indian Service began to participate in appropriations made for Civilian Conservation Corps work, a new division was organized in the central office to handle all phases of the program. For some time this Division operated as an independent and self-contained unit handling among other things all matters relating to the personnel employed in the central office and in the field. To insure a uniform application of personnel policies and to eliminate duplication of effort, it was decided in 1937 to transfer the personnel work and the employees performing it to the regular Personnel Division of the Office. This decision proved to be a wise one because it not only accomplished the original objectives, but it permitted the Personnel Division to absorb the ever-increasing volume of work with practically no increase in the number of employees performing it. On June 30, 1942, 15 of the positions in the Personnel Division were provided from the Civilian Conservation Corps appropriation. While the termination of Civilian Conservation Corps work has reduced the volume of work performed in the Personnel Division, the remaining volume is far too large to be absorbed by the employees paid from the regular appropriation. Even though 7 of the 15 Civilian Conservation Corps positions have been temporarily retained, the work has steadily fallen in arrears and is now months behind. This situation is due, of course, not only to the loss of Civilian Conservation Corps personnel but to turn-over resulting from the war and the removal of the Office from Washington to Chicago. Even with all regular positions constantly filled, however, the condition of the work will become progressively worse unless additional personnel is provided to perform it. This estimate of $9,320 would provide for the following positions, all of which have heretofore been paid from Civilian Conservation Corps funds: One chief of section, $3,200; 2 assistant clerks at $1,620; 2 junior clerk-stenographers at $1,440. We cannot too urgently recommend the allowance of this request as the situation in the Personnel Division can only be described as desperate. Fiscal Division, $38,460: On July 1, 1941, there was installed in the Indian Service a part of a new accounting system prescribed by the General Accounting Office pursuant to authority contained in the Budget and Accounting Act of 1921. This system requires the maintenance in the central office of many more control and other accounts than have been maintained in the past. The volume of transactions that must be run through these accounts is such that the use of power machinery, such as card punchers, verifiers, sorters, tabulators, and alphabetic accounting machine, is absolutely necessary. These transactions are reflected on documents, most of which are submitted by the field units, which must be processed and coded before they can be run through the machines. As it was evident when the new system was installed that its operation would require the services of many more employees, the accounting staff of the Civilian Conservation Corps division together with the work that it was performing was transferred to the Fiscal Division in an effort to supply a part of the personnel deficiency. Despite this step which provided the Fiscal Division with 16 positions, it was short by 13 positions of having enough employees to perform the prescribed work. Because of the termination of Civilian Conservation Corps, this shortage has been increased to 24 positions. Due to the decrease in the volume of work anticipated when Civilian Conservation Corps is finally liquidated, 19 positions are being requested instead of 29. Three of the 10 positions being dropped are in the Disbursing Officer's Accounts Examination Section where the work should diminish when the Civilian Conservation Corps appropriation is eliminated from the accounts of approximately 75 disbursing officers. The new system, far more comprehensive in scope than the one in operation in the Indian Service prior to July 1, is designed to provide current and accurate reporting data required by the Congress; the Bureau of the Budget; the General Accounting Office; the Department of the Interior, and other governmental departments; the Commissioner, Budget Officer, and other administrative officials of the Indian Service; and various Indian tribes and organizations, as well as accountability and administrative control over public and trust funds and property through all the necessary stages from receipt to expenditure. The additional positions requested will give the Fiscal Division the minimum force required to maintain the prescribed system and to comply with the provisions of Executive Order No. 8512, as amended, and with the requirements of Budget-Treasury Regulations Nos. 1 and 2, issued pursuant to said order. Unless additional help is forthcoming, it will be impossible to maintain an adequate system to meet these requirements. Information Division, $2,600: Mail and Files Division, $1,440: As in the case of the Personnel and Fiscal Division, it became necessary when Civilian Conservation Corps work was begun in the Indian Service to furnish the above divisions with personnel from Civilian Conservation Corps funds to handle the increased volume of work thereby imposed upon them. During the past 8 years, however, the increase in the regular work of these divisions has been such that it far exceeds the decrease in volume due to the termination of the Civilian Conservation Corps program. If these divisions are to function effectively in the future, it is essential that the following positions which have heretofore been paid from Civilian Conservation Corps funds be provided them: Information specialist, $2,600: one junior clerk, $1,440. AMOUNT OF INCREASE IN ESTIMATE Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. This item shows an increase of $71,760. Will you kindly explain to the committee the necessity for this increase? Mr. GREENWOOD. The increase of $71,760 is composed of three items. The first item, $14,940, provides compensation for employees |