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"attract attention for a moment from persons who do not consider "what would be the result, and by throwing out a political claptrap try to make an impression that might be destructive of the "Association. I was cautioned against him. He wrote a letter to "the Freeman yesterday, in which he assumed a look of injured in66 nocence. The question of fixity of tenure is one of great importance. No country was ever prosperous in which it is not the object of men to acquire landed property, and we must, not do "anything that would make the landlord's situation cease to be a "desirable one. I am ready to do all that the landlord ought to "desire, but I am convinced that there must be an end to the pre"sent relation between landlord and tenant. The power of exter"minating must be taken away, and the sacredness of possession must "be established." After referring to an account in the Morning Chronicle of meetings held in Wales on the subject of tenure, and to a speech inade by Lord Londonderry, the speech proceeded to the following effect: "I now come back to Mr. Connor. Mr. Connor "knew that a declaration not to pay rent-charge is against an Act of "Parliament, and that a combination not to to pay rent is a direct infringement of the law; and it is the conviction of my mind that "to a certain extent the safety of the Association depends upon you "all declaring with me, that the name of Mr. Connor should not re"main on our books. If he wanted to do us mischief is not that the "course he would take? And shall I be told that he did not in"tend to do us an injury when he took that step? I declare him "a political enemy to the people of Ireland. I will not mince the

"matter at all."

Mr. O'Connell then moved that the letter of Mr. Napper, and an extract from the speech of Lord Londonderry should be inserted on the minutes, and that the name of Mr. Connor should be expunged. This motion was carried. Mr. Steele suggested that Mr. Connor's money should be returned. I have no report of

Mr. Steele's speech, nor of Mr. John O'Connell's speech on that occasion.

MR. JUSTICE PERRIN. Did you send a report of the Donnybrook meeting to the newspapers ?

Witness.-No, my Lord, with the exception of a few sentences of Mr. O'Connell's speech, which I wrote from memory.

Cross-examined by MR. HATCHEll.

I think I saw Mr. Ray on the scaffold at Mullaghmast-perhaps I should say platform-it is a better word. I also saw him at the banquet. I left London first to come to Ireland the day before the Donnybrook meeting. I came direct by railway from London. I took a warm interest in the Cumberland elections, in 1837, 1838, and 1840. I supported the Conservative candidates. There was no opposition on that occasion, a brother of Lord Morpeth's was returned. I never took part in any election in which Sir James Graham was a candidate.

SATURDAY, JANUARY 20TH.

JOHN JACKSON sworn, and examined by MR. Brewster.

I am connected with the London Morning Herald. I was its Irish Correspondent in the course of the last summer and autumn. I attended the Association meetings in Dublin, and transmitted to London regularly, reports of what passed there.

Mr. Brewster.-My Lords, I do not mean to make the Witness go through all the speeches that have been already read. I will merely ask him who took part in the meetings at which those speeches were made. [He handed him a manuscript].

Witness. Those are my original notes, which I sent to London. I find there a speech made by Mr. O'Connell, on the 30th of May, at the Association. [The Witness read part of the speech]. I have a note of a meeting at the Association on the 6th of June. Mr. O'Connell, Mr. John O'Connell, Mr. Barrett, and Mr. Steele were present on that occasion. [The Witness read Mr. Steele's speech and Mr. O'Connell's speech].

[This meeting not being stated in the bill of particulars, the examination of the Witness on that subject was discontinued].

I attended a meeting of the Association on the 4th of July. Mr. O'Connell, Mr. John O'Connell, Mr. Ray and Mr. Steele were present; on that occasion, sums of money were handed in from America.

At a meeting of the 5th July, Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Duffy, Mr. John O'Connell. [The Witness read what Mr. O'Connell said, and the proceedings of the meeting on that occasion].

On the 18th of July, I was present at the Association. I saw there Mr. O'Connell, Mr. John O'Connell, Mr. Barrett, Mr. Ray and Dr. Gray. [The Witness read the proceedings of the meeting on that occasion, and what Mr. O'Connell stated].

On the 25th of July I was present at the Association. Messrs. Ray, O'Connell, Duffy, Steele, and John O'Connell were then present. [The Witness read what Mr. O'Connell said]. On the 22nd of August I was at the Association, and saw there Mr. Duffy, Mr. O'Connell, Mr. John O'Connell, and Mr. Steele. [The Witness read the proceedings of the meeting.] On that day I got a document. It is a plan for the renewed action of the Irish Parliament. I was at the adjourned meeting of the 23rd of August. Mr. O'Connell, Mr. John O'Connell, Mr. Barrett, and Dr. Gray were present. I have a note of Mr. O'Connell's speech. [The Witness read the speech.] I have also a note of Dr. Gray's speech, in bringing forward the report of the Arbitration Committee. [The Deputy Clerk of the Crown read the report of the Arbitration Committee.] Mr. Steele, Mr. John O'Connell, Mr. Ray, Mr. O'Connell, and Dr. Gray were at the meeting of the Association of the 28th. I have a note of Mr. O'Connells speech on that occasion. [The Witness read the speech.] I have a note of the meeting of the 29th of August. Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Ray, and Mr. John O'Connell were present at it.

In different parts of Mr. O'Cennell's speech on that day, I have marked, "hear, hear, and cheering." I was present at a meeting of the Association on the 4th of September; Mr. Ray, Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Steele, and Mr. John O'Connell were present. Mr. O'Connell handed in different sums from different parts of Ireland-from Liverpool and America. I have a note of a speech of Mr. Ray, referring to the ballads in the Nation, and saying, that the vendors of ballads should get such ballads as were published in the Spirit of the Nation, and give up the dissemination of the trash which they usually sold. Mr. O'Connell spoke of the intended meeting at Loughrea. I was at a meeting of the Association on the 12th of September. Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Barrett, Mr. Steele, and Dr. Gray were present at the meeting on the 12th of September. Mr. Barrett handed in £21 from a place in Fermanagh. Mr. O'Connell introduced Mr. to the meeting, as having brought the last contribution from America. Dr. Gray spoke of the arbitration arrangements. [The Witness read the speech]. I was at the meeting of the 13th September. Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Steele, and Mr. Ray were present. Mr. O'Connell read a letter from Washington in America, signed by W. Tyler. Mr. Ray spoke. [The Witness read his speech]. I got a copy of the address to the British subjects. [Handed in]. I was at a meeting of the Association on the 21st of September. Mr. Ray, Mr. J. O'Connell, and Mr. Duffy were there. Mr. Duffy handed in subscriptions from several places in the north. I was present at a meeting of the Association on the 27th of September. Mr. O'Connell, Mr. J. O'Connell, Mr. Steele, Mr. Ray, and Dr. Gray were there.

Mr. Brewster. Mr. Ross has given evidence of those meetings yesterday. I therefore merely wish the Witness to state who were present.

Examination continued.-On the 28th September I attended a meeting of the Association. Mr. O'Connell, Mr. John O'Connell, and Mr. Ray were there. Mr. O'Connell spoke of the coming meeting at Mullaghmast.

Mr. Moore. If the only object be to prove the persons who were at the meetings, Mr. Brewster's course is proper. cannot state what Mr. O'Connell said.

But he

Mr. Brewster.-Mr. Ross gave no account of the meeting. Mr. Moore. We wish to take the opinion of the Court as to this. It is admitted by this Witness that he has not a full note of the speeches. The Crown have no right to read an extract from the speech. I do not go the length of saying that the Witness should give evidence of all that passed, but the whole speech should be read. The LORD CHIEF JUSTICE. All I want is, that they should read every thing which Mr. O'Connell said.

Mr. Moore. That is not the course which has been adopted. Mr. Brewster.-Mr. O'Connell appears to have made at each meeting several speeches. When we called on the Witness to read any portion of a speech, we asked him to read the whole of it. in this instance we do not wish to hear the speech.

But

The LORD CHIEF JUSTICE. It would be quite unfair for the Crown to give a garbled extract; but I think Mr. Moore has misunderstood Mr. Brewster.

I was

Examination continued. Mr. Steele was at that meeting. present at a meeting on the 3rd of October. Mr. O'Connell, Mr. Steele, Mr. Duffy, Mr. Ray, Mr. John O'Connell, Dr. Gray, and the Rev. Mr. Tierney, of Clontibret, were there. Many persons attended at these several meetings. Sometimes more and sometimes less. They were generally well attended.

Mr. Brewster.Have you heard any of the traversers, at any of these meetings, say anything of newspapers.

Mr. Fitzgibbon objected on account of the generality of the question.

The objection was overruled.

Witness. I did not.

Cross-examined by MR. FITZGIBBON.

I am a Clare man. I have been acting in the capacity of Correspondent for the Morning Chronicle for two years. I am not a short-hand writer. I am not a Reporter, as the term is generally applied. I mean by a Reporter a short-hand writer. I was in the capacity of a person reporting public proceedings after a manner. I began that occupation three or four years ago. I contributed to provincial newspapers. I sent reports to the Limerick Star and Limerick Chronicle. The Limerick Star is a Liberal, the Limerick Chronicle a Conservative paper. I was first employed for the Star, and then for the Chronicle.

What is your native place? Kilrush.

What were the reports which you sent to the Limerick papers? They had no reference to politics; they were sketches of the Petty Sessions.

Were they illustrated sketches? A little embellished occasionally.

By being a little embellished do you mean that they had pictures? They were pen and ink shetches.

The embellishments, then, were done with pen and ink? Yes. By embellishments you mean something put into the report that had not taken place? Certainly.

Something not true? The half of them were fictions. That is what you call reporting after a manner. Then you practise as a Reporter by vending falsehoods? No; I report on the same principles as I would contribute to works of imagination.

Then you have contributed to works of imagination? I have done so, a little.

Embellished a little? Tales of imagination.
You are a little bit of a poeti
t?

I am.

You are what is called in Clare, a poetaster? Yes, if you choose to apply the term.

Then, you have contributed to publications; did you ever send any to the Nation? Never.

To what papers did you send them? To the papers I mentioned before, the Limerick Star and Limerick Chronicle.

In conformity with the principles of the papers? In nine cases out of ten, they had no reference whatever to them.

To what had the tenth case reference? To the subjects of the day, occasionally.

Have you contributed to magazines? I contributed a short tale to the University Magazine.

A false one?

Yes.

But you intended that it should be believed to be a true one? To the man who would be fool enough to believe it I did.

Then you intended that it should be believed, if people were fools enough to do so? Yes.

Now, those illustrated sketches which you sent, as the reports of the proceedings at the petty sessions at Kilrush, was it not intended that they should appear to be true? Oh! yes.

You intended that they should appear in the public papers as true reports? I did.

And they were not true? Some were, and some were not.
When did you cease reporting at Kilrush?

years I came up to Dublin.

This month two

How did you prefer to live in Dublin? I became the Correspondent of the Morning Herald.

But you know Dublin is a place where a man must have a little income to live. How do you support yourself? I receive 150 guineas a year from the Morning Herald, as their Correspondent. As a fixed salary? Yes.

What have you to do for that? I send a letter every day having reference to the topics of public interest of the day.-I give a summary of the news of the day.

You read the local papers published in Dublin, and you make a summary of what is going on, and send it to the Morning Herald ? Certainly, topics of newspaper interest generally.

Had you the privilege of embellishing those? I had.

And you exercised that privilege? No, not in matters of truth. Is there any truth in what you send to the Morning Herald ? Yes there is; I send any thing in the shape of news.

Yes.

And you first come to the knowledge of it from the newspapers?

Then you endeavour, on the best authority you can, to discover whether what you find in the newspapers is true? I take a great deal of it for granted.

Do you take opinions? What I think not improbable I do.

Do you go to inquire about the truth of them? Certainly; and if I saw any absurd or high-flying opinion I should be slow in adopting it.

What mode do you take of ascertaining the truth? General inquiry. From whom? Any person I happen to meet, where the matter is one of conversation; I try to ascertain whether it is true or false.