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SELECTED CRIME ISSUES: PREVENTION AND

PUNISHMENT

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON
CRIME AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE

OF THE

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

ONE HUNDRED SECOND CONGRESS

FIRST SESSION

MAY 23, 29, JUNE 12, 26, JULY 10, 17, AND 25, 1991

Serial No. 18

Printed for the use of the Committee on the Judiciary

U.S. GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE

WASHINGTON : 1991

For sale by the U.S. Government Printing Office
Superintendent of Documents, Congressional Sales Office, Washington, DC 20402

ISBN 0-16-036987-8

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COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY

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JACK BROOKS, Texas, Chairman DON EDWARDS, California

HAMILTON FISH, JR., New York JOHN CONYERS, JR., Michigan

CARLOS J. MOORHEAD, California ROMANO L. MAZZOLI, Kentucky

HENRY J. HYDE, Illinois WILLIAM J. HUGHES, New Jersey

F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., MIKE SYNAR, Oklahoma

Wisconsin PATRICIA SCHROEDER, Colorado

BILL McCOLLUM, Florida DAN GLICKMAN, Kansas

GEORGE W. GEKAS, Pennsylvania BARNEY FRANK, Massachusetts

HOWARD COBLE, North Carolina CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York

D. FRENCH SLAUGHTER, JR., Virginia EDWARD F. FEIGHAN, Ohio

LAMAR S. SMITH, Texas HOWARD L. BERMAN, California

CRAIG T. JAMES, Florida RICK BOUCHER, Virginia

TOM CAMPBELL, California
HARLEY O. STAGGERS, JR., West Virginia STEVEN SCHIFF, New Mexico
JOHN BRYANT, Texas

JIM RAMSTAD, Minnesota
MEL LEVINE, California
GEORGE E. SANGMEISTER, Illinois
CRAIG A. WASHINGTON, Texas
PETER HOAGLAND, Nebraska
MICHAEL J. KOPETSKI, Oregon
JOHN F. REED, Rhode Island

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CHARLES E. SCHUMER, New York, Chairman WILLIAM J. HUGHES, New Jersey

F. JAMES SENSENBRENNER, JR., EDWARD F. FEIGHAN, Ohio

Wisconsin JOHN BRYANT, Texas

STEVEN SCHIFF, New Mexico MEL LEVINE, California

JIM RAMSTAD, Minnesota GEORGE E. SANGMEISTER, Mlinois

BILL McCOLLUM, Florida CRAIG A. WASHINGTON, Texas

GEORGE W. GEKAS, Pennsylvania PETER HOAGLAND, Nebraska

JAMES Rowe, Chief Counsel
DEBRA DIENER, Assistant Counsel

ANDREW Fois, Assistant Counsel
LYLE NIRENBERG, Minority Counsel

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CONTENTS

HEARINGS DATES

Schumer, Hon. Charles E., a Representative in Congress from the State of

New York, and chairman, Subcommittee on Crime and Criminal Justice.......

WITNESSES

Baker, Patricia, student mediator.

Barr, William, Deputy Attorney General, U.S. Department of Justice

Beane, Randy W., Lieutenant, Dayton Police Department, Dayton, OH..

Behan, Corneilius J., chief, Baltimore County Police Department,

Blauvelt, Peter D., director, Department of Security Services, Prince George's

County Public Schools, Upper Marlboro, MD........

Brown, Jehru, Narcotics Division, Washington, DC, Metropolitan Police

Department ..

Brown, Lee, commissioner, New York City Police Department, New York, NY

Bruck, David I., chief attorney, South Carolina Office of Appellate Defense, on

behalf of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc..

Brungardt, John, Officer, Aurora Police Department, Aurora, CO

Calhoun, John A., director, National Crime Prevention Council.

Carr, Neil, police officer, Philadelphia Police Department.

Cook, Richard, Chief, Firearms Division, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and

Firearms, Department of the Treasury, accompanied by Hamilton Bobb,

Group Supervisor, and Edward Owen, Jr., Chief, Firearms Technology

Branch...

Cook, Richard, Chief, Firearms Division, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and

Firearms, Department of the Treasury, accompanied by Bradley A. Buckles,

Deputy Chief Counsel ........

Corrothers, Helen G., Commissioner, U.S. Sentencing Commission, accompa-

nied by Steve Greber, Law Clerk, and Mary McDowell, Legal Division

Culpepper, Bryant, judge, Macon Judicial District, Macon, GA.

Eck, John, associate director, Police Executive Research Forum..

Excell, Celeste, victimized student, Cokeville, WY..

Excell, Max T., father and principal, Cokeville, WY.

Feder, June, Ph.D., psychologist, Victim Support Program, New York City

Board of Education, United Federation of Teachers..

Fendry, James E., director, Wisconsin Progun Movement.

Gatling, Patricia L., bureau chief of narcotics, Kings County District

Attorney's Office, New York...

Guthrie, Roger, Special Agent, Detroit Division, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco

and Firearms.......

Hankins, Gary, chairman, Fraternal Order of Police, Metropolitan Police

Labor Committee...
Hoffman, William, vice president, Associated Marine Institutes ......

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Johnson, Linda, graduate, Cardoza High School, Washington, DC.
Jordan, David, assistant director, Comprehensive Correctional Boot Camp

Program, Georgia Department of Corrections...
Kramer, Albert L., judge, Quincy District Court, Quincy, MA.
Krieger, John, president, Krieger Barrels, Inc.
Lausell, Linda, director, School Mediation Program, Victim Services Agency,

New York...
Liggins, Betty, Tucson,
Markva, Craig, director of legislative affairs, Gun Owners of America....
McGoey, Andrew, Sergeant, New York City Police Department, New York,

NY.
McGuire, Philip C., law enforcement adviser, Handgun Control, Inc.
McNulty, Paul J., Principal Deputy Director, Office of Policy Development,

U.S. Department of Justice
Miller, Jacquie, Louisville, KY.
Mueller, Robert S., III, Assistant Attorney General, Criminal Division, U.S.

Department of Justice, accompanied by Paul McNulty, Acting Director,

Office of Policy Development
Muir, Edward, director, school safety department, United Federation of

Teachers...
O'Donnell, Inspector Philip A., Commander, D.C. Rapid Deployment Unit,

Metropolitan Police Department, Washington, DC....
Phillips, Joseph M., Federal liaison, National Rifle Association.
Posner, Charles, assistant district attorney, Kings County, NY..
Rhyme, Richard, executive director, Youth Restitution Program, Dane

County, Madison, WI .....
Rodriguez, J.J., police officer, Philadelphia Police Department
Ronstadt, Peter, chief, Tucson Police Department, Tucson, AZ.
Rust-Tierney, Diann, director, Capital Punishment Project, American Civil

Liberties Union.
Saporito, Michael R., chairman, State of Florida Commission on Assault

Weapons...
Schneider, Dr. Peter R., Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation,

Bethesda, MD..
Sherman, Judith, educational evaluator, New York City Board of Education ....
Sloan, Ronald, chief, uniform division, Aurora Police Department, Aurora, CO
Squire, Patrick M., vice president and general counsel, Colt's Manufacturing

Co., Inc., and secretary, American Shooting Sports Coalition ......
Stephens, Dr. Ronald D., executive director, National School Safety Center
Stokes, Dewey R., national president, Fraternal Order of Police....
Taylor, Eric, victimized student, and Janet Taylor, Stockton, CA..
Thomas, Derrick, team member, Kansas City Chiefs, Kansas City, MO
Trojanowicz, Dr. Robert, director, the National Center for Community

Policing, Michigan State University School of Criminal Justice...
Varner, Catherine, widow of Deputy Robert W. Varner, Jr
Vega, Jose, New York, NY..
Webster, Emma, criminal justice program coordinator, Gateway Battered

Women's Shelter, Aurora, CO
Watts, Michael, youth advocate, Washington, DC..
Zimmerling, Ron, Sergeant, Tucson Police Department, Tucson, AZ

LETTERS, STATEMENTS, ETC., SUBMITTED FOR THE HEARINGS
Amensty International USA: Prepared statement..
Barr, William, Deputy Attorney General, U.S. Department of Justice:

Submissions to questions by subcommittee members for the hearing

record.

Prepared statement
Beane, Randy W., Lieutenant, Dayton Police Department, Dayton, OH: Pre-

pared statement.
Beard, Michael, president, Coalition to Stop Gun Violence: Prepared

statement. Behan, Corneilius J., chief, Baltimore County Police Department: Prepared

statement
Blauvelt, Peter D., director, Department of Security Services, Prince George's

County Public Schools, Upper Marlboro, MD: Prepared statement..
Bobb, Hamilton, Group Supervisor, Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, U.S.

Department of the Treasury: Prepared statement.

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Bruck, David I., chief attorney, South Carolina Office of Appellate Defense, on

behalf of the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, Inc.: Prepared

statement. Brungardt, John, Officer, Aurora Police Department, Aurora, CO: Prepared

statement. Calhoun, John A., director, National Crime Prevention Council: Prepared

statement. Christensen, Donna M., attorney general, Navajo Nation Department of Jus

tice: Prepared statement... Cook, Richard, chief, Firearms Division, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Department of the Treasury:

Submissions to subcommittee questions for the hearing record

Prepared statement
Corrothers, Helen G., Commissioner, U.S. Sentencing Commission:

Information concerning probation submitted for the hearing record..

Prepared statement
Culpepper, Bryant, judge, Macon Judicial District, Macon, GA: Prepared

statement
Eck, John, associate director, Police Executive Research Forum: Prepared

statement
Excell, Celeste, victimized student, Cokeville, WY: Prepared statement...........
Excell, Max T., father and principal, Cokeville, WY: Prepared statement.
Feder, June, Ph.D., psychologist, Victim Support Program, New York City

Board of Education, United Federation of Teachers: Prepared statement .......
Feldman, Richard J., executive director, American Shooting Sports Coalition,

Inc.: Prepared statement.
Gatling, Patricia L., bureau chief of narcotics, Kings County District

Attorney's Office, New York: Prepared statement.
Guthrie, Řoger, Special Agent, Detroit Division, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco

and Firearms: Prepared statement....
Hankins, Gary, chairman, Fraternal Order of Police, Metropolitan Police

Labor Committee: Prepared statement..
Hoagland, Hon. Peter, a Representative in Congress from the State of

Nebraska: Submission of report to subcommittee by Omaha public school

system.......
Halbrook, Stephen, Ph.D.: Prepared statement
Indritz, Tova, Federal Public Defender for the District of New Mexico:

Prepared statement.
Jordan, David, assistant director, Comprehensive Correctional Boot Camp

Program, Georgia Department of Corrections: Prepared statement....
Knox, Neal, executive director, the Firearms Coalition: Prepared statement....
LaClair, Capt. Daryl F., Arlington County Sheriff's Department (retired):

Prepared statement
Lausell, Linda, director, School Mediation Program, Victim Services Agency,

New York: Prepared statement....
Markva, Craig, director of legislative affairs, Gun Owners of America:

Prepared statement
McGoey, Andrew, Sergeant, New York City Police Department, New York,

NY: Prepared statement.
McNulty, Paul J., Principal Deputy Director, Office of Policy Development

U.S. Department of Justice: Prepared statement.
McGuire, Philip C., law enforcement adviser, Handgun Control, Inc.:

Letter to Hon. Steven Schiff, a Representative in Congress from the State

of New Mexico, dated September 6, 1991........... Letter to Hon. Steven Schiff, a Representative in Congress from the State

of New Mexico, dated August 1, 1991.
Mueller, Robert S., III, Assistant Attorney General, Criminal Division, U.S.

Department of Justice: Prepared statement
Muir, Edward, director, school safety department, United Federation of

Teachers: Prepared statement...
National Congress of American Indians: Prepared statement..
Native American Rights Fund: Prepared statement
O'Donnell, Inspector Philip A., Commander, D.C. Rapid Deployment Unit,

Metropolitan Police Department, Washington, DC: Prepared statement..
Phillips, Joseph M., Federal liaison, National Rifle Association: Prepared

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