Lord Folkestone said, if the words of which differed certainly in various respects.' the Order were to be construed according Permanent rank meant the common ordito the common understanding of the Eng- nary rank and promotion of the army. lish Language, they certainly did imply, Temporary rank signified an exception, and that privileges were conferred upon the was generally given to those who raised Officers of the German, Legion, which men for rank, and for other reasons, which were, to all intents and purposes, incon- occasioned the granting them high com. sistent with the terms of the Act of Par- missions. Temporary rank also was cope l'ament. The great exploits of the corps fined to particular corps and services, but are made the cause for conferring on them did not give fuli brevet promotion with the some great boon. But according to the rest of the army, nor did it confer halfNoble Lord, this great reward whịch was pay. But the House should be aware, purported in the order was not given them, that it never was in the contemplation of In former times, when British Officers the framers of the Order, or of those to went into the army in the temporary rank whom it was addressed, that it was to be of superior Ofhcers, without having gone construed otherwise than in conjunction through the iplerior steps, it was not usual with the Act by which these corps were for these Officers to get promotion. But sanctioned. Many of our foreign corps now, tbe German Officers, who are only were in fact brought into service, complete temporary, are to be introduced into our established corps. The Germans were not service, are to be promoted, and to shoul. so, but they had been previously in the der out our old General Officers, wbo have Hanoverian service; and it was found nerisen progressively to their rank.—Hear! cessary on their coming here to combine hear!)-The Order should have said them, and to preserve the previous rank “ permanent rapk in the German Legion," held by their Ofacers. But the analogy and not in the British Army. The Order, of our service had been preserved; the according to the explanation of a Noble first Officers had only temporary rank: but Lord, was a mark of absurdity in the the whole of the corps were not serving Office from which it was issued -of want with temporary rank. In all the foreign of knowledge of the English language, and corps, the Officers, who since the comhad the effect of deceiving the Oflicers of mencement of the corps have been appointthe German Legion, besides causing much ed Ensigns and Cornets, had been so apuneasiness in the British Army. The pointed and promoted, without any disobject of his motion, therefore, would be, tinction from other Oficers of the British to procure information, by which the Offi- Army in general. The Order, in fact, cers of the British Army might understand did not apply to all the German Officers, that they had not received that injury, but only to those of the higher ranks, who which, in the present state of their know- had entitled theinselves to favour and reledge, they could not fail to suppose that they ward. But all those Officers were serving had suffered. His Lordship concluded by under a law which declared a limit to moving, “ That an humble Address be their services; and the order could not be presented to His Royal Highness the meant to operate in defiance of the law. Prince Regent, praying, that His Royal | The Act authorized the granting of ComHighness would be pleased to order, that missions and Letters of Service; but did there should be laid before the House, Co- not say that these were to be different from pies of all the Orders which had been is- those of British Officers. To have done sued from the Horse Guards, relative to otherwise would have been injurious to the the rank of the Officers in the King's Ger- service. It was, he conceived, clear, that man Legion.”

when the operation of the law ceased, the Lord Palmerston observed, that the conmissions must fall to the ground with short answer he had given had induced the that Act in which they originated. The Noble Lord to alter his whole line of ar- Officers could not be entitled to half-pay, gument. Had he made an explanation for the law forbad that. The advantage earlier, it might have prevented this ques- they received by the Order was, that when tion altogether. It was a mere difference the Act ceased, their rank having been as to the interpreta Chris Words, and ordinary and permanent, their names would the whole ya

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of the American States ? It appears to me “ few instances." His Lordship then to be something too absurd to be thought made the following comparative statement, possible, that this scheme should have been a copy of which he bas done me the louour in contemplation. No: something more to transmit to me. solid was, I am fully convinced, intended;

BATTLE OF TALAYERA. and, it having been discovered, that the

Killed. Wound. Total boon could not be granted without an act German Legion losť, on an aveof Parliament, it became prudent to give rage, per Battalion

22 103 - 125 the matter up. If the Order had gone into British regiments, on an average,


91 109 effect agreeably to the plain English of it, it is very clear that it would have operated

greatly to the injury of the officers of
our own army. For instance, an English German Legion--Six battalions of
colonel might have had twenty or thirty

Infantry and one regiment of

83 123 156 of these German colonels put, at once over

One English Battalion (20 Bathis head, if there were that number whose

talion, 87th Regiment) 27 137 164 commissions were of a date prior to his, which would have been extremely in

BATTLE OF BUSACO. jurious to him, and, upon the supposition Germans Battalions and 2 deof his having purchased his cominission, tachments.

49 59 not less unjust than injurious ; seeing that, English-1 Battalioni 45th Regt. 95 119 138 when he purchased, he could not have had

1 Battalion 88th Regt. 31 102 153 in contemplation the introduction of these or any other foreigners. The matter,

BATTLE OF BARROSA. however, has now been explained, and Germans --Not one either killed with that explanation I should have been or wounded, satisfied for the present, if other matters,

AFFAIR OF 30 MAY, 1811. connected with it, had not been introduced.

Germans-6 Battalions

20. 28 While the order was, in the debate, ex- English~-1 Battalion 7 1st Regt.

46 plained not to mean that the Germans were

1 Battalion 79th Regt.

5 19 to have rank permanently in our army, great pains were taken to inculcate the opi AFFAIR OF 5TH MAY, 1811. nion, that such a favour would not have

Germans-6 Battalions

48 51 heen too great for their merits. The English—1 Battalion 71st Regt.

87 praises bestowed upon them were unbound

1 Battalion 79th Regt. - 27 162 ed ; one member appears to have been understood as giving them the preference to SIEGE OF BADAJOS, FROM 5 TO 11 June, 1811. English officers ; and Lord Palmerston, Germans—6 Battalions rather indiscreetly, as it turned out, called English-1 Battalion 51st Regt. 26 78 104 upon Lord Folkestone to look at the GAZETTES, if he wished to know whether ASSAULT OF CUIDAD RODRIGO. the Germans had, or had nol, DISTIN- Englishi loss

130 496 626 GUISHED themselves during the war. German loss Lord Folkestone accepted the challenge, which was repeated by General Stewart. CAPTURE OF Badajos, 1812. His Lordship said, " With respect to the

English loss

668 2402 3070 " desire, or rather challenge, of the gal- German loss

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BATTLE OF ALBUERA. ments of the German Legion, he (Lord Germans, 2 Battaļions,

8 96 104 $ F.) had taken occasion to review those

English, 2 Battalions of the " gazettes, because a similar desire had 7th Regt.

125 557 682 * been the night before expressed to him 1 Battalion, 48th Regt.

245 325 S by others, and he was happy to find that 1 Battalion, 29th Begt. - in glory, as it appeared from the losses, " the British army was not inferior, com

BATTLE OF SALAMANCA.. pared with those highly-applauded, those fand observe, this was the battle, for the deeds per. particularly-honoured Foreigners. For

formed at which, the order wus issued) 1" what was the comparison? Why, let English, 1 Battalion, (the 3rd of

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a permanent situation in our army, is very 1 Batianoni, 38u: Reyt.

16 127 143 1 Battalion, 61st Regt. 44 322 366 clear, and, indeed, General Stewart de

fended the Order in that sense of it. Lord

148 1037 1205 Palmerston said, indeed, that the German 3 other English Battalions, (be.

Officers did not so understand it; and, in ing the 5 who suffered least in

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he had a letter to that effect from some 148 1067 1215 German Baron, who is a Geperal; but,

upon a question being put to Lord Palmer That is, (dividing these num

ston by Lord Folkestone, the former conbers by 10,) on an average

14 106 121 | fessed that the said letter was written after per Battalion,

the latter had given notice of his motion That is, for each one English Battalion, more than

-Upon this occasion the old doctrines; the five German Battalions put together.

that is to say, the doctrines of the last wriNow, reader, English reader, when you ter, were advanced in defence of employing have looked well at this, look once more at these foreigners in England, and Mr. the ORDER in question, which said that, Ponsonby, the leader of the whigs, beg“ In consideration of the King's German ged to be understood as not participating " Legion having so frequently distinguished in the “ vulgar prejudices" which were " themselves against the enemy, during the said to exist against employing these “ campaign, but particularly at the battle foreigners in England. Sir H. Mildmay " of Salamanca, His Royal Highness the is also reported as having disclaimed such “ Prince Regent, acting in the name and prejudices. They were well answered by " on behalf of His Majesty, has been Lord Milion, who said, that he must “ pleased to order that those Officers now protest against any foreigner whatever, be“ serving with temporary rank in the se- ing appointed to commands in England, “ veral regiments of that corps, shall have and that he could make no exception de “ permanent rank in the British army, favour of Hanoverians, for that they were * from the dates of their respective Com- not, and never had been subjects of the “ missions." Here; then, are we all in a King of England. It was urged by situation to judge. “Upon this review," Lord Palmerston and others, in desence of added Lord Folkestone, the Country the employing of foreign troops, that Buo

may decide which description of force naparte did the same. This was urged “ encountered more danger, suffered more once before, and it was once before ob“ loss, gained more glory, or was entitled served in answer, that it ought to be "' to more praise. To some persons he shown, to make it a case in point, that knew it would be absurd to appeal. Buonaparte einployed foreign

foreign troops “ From those who paid more regard to in France ; that he gave them com“ their own will ihan to law or reason; missions in French regiments; that he “ from those who could originate an order gave them command of military districts in “ apparently designed, and since it was France ; no part of which has ever been, “ issued he would undertake to say notori- and, in my opinion, ever can be, shown. “ously conceived, to involve a direct vio -Besides, must we do a thing, or think "lation of law, he could not expect due a thing right to be done, because he does ch attention. But he looked to the consi- the like? What would be said of me if I • deration of the Gentlemen of that House, were to insist that we ought to abolish tithes, " who inust feel, that whatever difference for instance, because tithes have been abo" of opinion might prevail upon general lished in France ? Nay, to come closer to

questions, the explanation of this extra. the point, what was said, and what was ordinary order

was calculated to do attempted to be done, to the editor of the “ good.”—A great deal of good, cer- Independent Whig, because he found fault, tainly, and for which the country is in- with our Government for not treating our debied to Lord Folkestone, who by this one soldiers in the same manner that Buonaact, bas, in my opinion, rendered greater parte treated his soldiers? This, supposervice to the country than would be ren sing the cases to be perfectly similar, is no dered by the driving of the French out of justification at all of the measure. But Spain. ---That the Order was generally nothing can, in my opinion, be more disunderstood as putting the Germans upon similar than the two cases, and the use of exactly the same footing as our own offi- the argument only tends to shew how des

earthly consideration could have induced permit it as soon as the necessity for their him, as a member of that House, acting presence ceased to exist; not with an unupon constitutional principles, to have wise and unprecedented zeal, but in the lent his sanction to such a measure, had it spirit that had thus grown up with the possessed the character which he and the Constitution itself, it would have behoved country had erroneously attributed to it. every man in that House to look at the To all that had been said of the services of Order in question, had its purport been the brave German troops he most heartily such, as until that night it had universally subscribed; and if any question had arisen been supposed to be. Although he was with respect to their merits, the House not in the habit of paying the Noble Lord must feel that the gallant and generous tes

who made the motion many compliments, timony just borne to those merits by a he could by no means indulge in any sneer kindred spirit, would have been conclusive against him, for having brought under the on the subjeci. (Hear!) But it was no consideration of Parliament a document so disparagement to the gallant General who enigmatical, as even to deceive the compahad spoken so much to their credit and his nion in arms of those to whom it related. own, to say, that while that Hon. Officer On the contrary, he thought the Noble looked at the question with a military eye, Lord was in the present instance entitled to it became the House to consider it with a the gratitude of the House and the country, view to its bearing on the Constitution. for having produced the explanation which While he cordially concurred in all that had been afforded by the Noble Secretary had been said, and in all that could be at War, and for having put him (Mr. added in praise of the German troops, he Canning) in a situation which permitted could not let his feelings, or the consider. him, instead of supporting the Noble : ation of the existing crisis, so far over- Lord's motion, to pay hin a compliment, power his duty to his country as to forget and vote against it. (as he thought the Noble Secretary at War Lord Folkeslore made a short reply to seemed at one time to forget) that it was the various arguments that had been adnecessity alone that justified their employ- duced against his motion. He expressed ment. Although no man, rationally con his astonishment that any Honourable Memsidering the circumstances of the times, ber should come down and eulogise the could object to their employment, yet it German troops, holding them up as supeought always to be remembered, that to rior to British troops. employ them was the exception and not General Stewart spoke to order, denying the rule. Looking, therefore, at the Or that he had characterized the German as der as it had been generally understood - superior to the British troops. On the conas it had been understood by the public as trary, he had avowed his partiality of the well as by himself--an understanding, he British troops, and particularly British must observe, mainly supported by the cavalry; instancing, at the same time, a comments with which it was accompanied regiment of German cavalry, which had at the time the Order was issued in pub- nobly distinguished itself. lications, which, though certainly not au Lord Folkeslone continued. He underthorized, were widely circulated-an un- stood him distinctly to have spoken of other derstanding, of which the report of that military departments also, in which he bad night's debate would convey to the country given the preference to the Germans. He, the first contradiction-he must say, that would contend, in opposition to what bad it would have involved a principle from fallen from the Secretary at War, that Baron which it would have been imperative on Linsingen had actually for some period com. him utterly to disseni. In the best and manded the Eastern District, and ordered earliest times of our renovated Constitution out the militia regiments at Ipswich. This -in the reign of that hero to whom we was contrary to the express words of the were indebted for that Constitution—in the Act of Parliament, which, in sanctioning case of the very troops which had been the employment of those Foreign Officers, called in to secure the establishment of that expressly stated that they were only to be Constitution in the case of the Dutch allowed commands in their own particular troops in the service of King William, al-corps, “ inasmuch as they could best drill though that great sovereign and benefactor them, from being acquainted with their lanof the country descended almost to suppli- guage and manners.

He should also state, cate the House of Commons to allow him that in the teeth of an Act of Parliament, to retain his own guards, they would not part of the 60th regiment, raised ouly for

service in America, was sent to the Penin- the proper, and' in fact, the only way to sula. No man' would object to such em- make the reference was, to establish a fair ployment of them, if Ministers, instead of estimate by the comparison of numbers, as breaking an Act of Parliament, would come equal as possible, between certain proporto Parlianent and point out the necessity tions or corps of the British army and the of such a change of destination. Upon oc- German Legion. · casions of this nature, there was something Lord Folkestone maintained that he had else to be consulted besides the map of Eu- founded his estimate upon that very comrope. He thought it as necessary to con- parison which he was charged with not sult the Constitution and the Act of Settle having made. ment. Not only at the Revolution did our Mr. Whilbread paid a compliment to the ancestors refuse to allow Dutch troops to generous and liberal sentiments expressed stay in this country, but on the accession of by a gallant General (Stewart) on the emithe House of Hanover, there was an Act, nent services and distinguished bravery of the very last year, which had directly in its the German troops employed in Spain.contemplation the employment of Hanoverian The mutual enthusiasm and unlimited con, troops. It was against this very description fidence excited in the Officers of the army, of foe, that our ancestors shewed a consti- by the exploits of others serving with them, utional jealousy at the time of passing the ought however to increase, instead of lessen Act of Settlement. The Noble Lord then ing the jealousy with which we ought to made a statement of the losses of the German guard against the incorporation of foreign corps in the different great actions in the troops with our own. This was not a miliPeninsula, which he thought would give a tary question, nor one in which we were to fair criterion to judge whether they signa- appeal to the sentiments of the army. It lized themselves more than British troops. was a constitutional question, on which the At the battle of Talavera, the German bat. Members of that House were to decide, as talions had.' certainly suffered more loss, the guardians of the rights and civil liberties uponan average, than the British, but in of the country. What he had risen for, every other action the balance was the other was to direct the attention of the House to way. At Barrosa, Ciudad Rodrigo, and a circumstance which had not been noticed, Badajos, no Germans were engaged; and the affectation which so generally and ridiat Busaco their loss was very trifling in- culously prevailed, of imitating the dress deed. He then stated the amount of the of foreign soldiers. From the known preGerman loss in the different actions, and dilection for this dress in a certain quarter, compared it with the loss of some British our troops were so Germanised or Frenchbattalions, which was much more severe. ified in their appearance, that the most seri. This mode of comparison, he allowed, might ous consequences were to be apprehended. be considered unfair, if a positive superiority In fact, English soldiers had fallen, and had not been claimed on the part of the English Officers been taken prisoners in Germans. - Lord Folkestone concluded with consequence of mistaking a corps of French observing, that if the Noble Lord's expla- troops for our own, and in the retreat from nation proved satisfactory to the public, he Salamanca, one of our Officers was near beshould be content in the reflection, that no ing killed by order of a brother Officer, inconsiderable portion of the object he had who supposed him to be French. Notin view was accomplished.

withstanding the general sense entertained - Lord Palmerston, in explanation, con on this subject by the army, either retended, that he had not expressed any con monstrances had not reached the source tempt of the Act of Settlement. The com- from which the remedy must spring, or had mand was temporary, and was founded on been ineffectual, so far had taste prevailed the Article of War, applicable to the Ger- over judgment. Whatever might be our man Legion, by which these Officers took admiration of foreign troops employed with precedence. He also saw nothing incon- our own, there was surely no need to consistent or unconstitutional in the assumption found the two services together, each might of the command of a district by General retain a distinct, uniform, and independent Linsingen, as it must have devolved upon character of its own. He could not abstain him in the absence of Lord Chatham, and from expressing his concern at the couclue was perfectly agreeable to the Article of sion of the speech of an Hon. Gentleman War to which he had alluded. The Noble (Mr. Canning,) who after the strongest and Lord appeared to have totally mistaken the most pointed arguments in favour of the nature of the reference to the Gazettes; for propriety of the motion, expressed in lan

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