1 Excludes premium pay for overtime and for work on weekends, holidays, and late shifts.

158

Number of workers receiving straight-time hourly earnings of―

Senator NELSON. Thank you.

Senator KENNEDY of Massachusetts. I want to thank you very much, Mr. Landis, for your appearance here.

We can go off the record.

(Discussion off the record.)

Senator KENNEDY of Massachusetts. Back on the record.

Senator KENNEDY of Massachusetts. Mr. Charles Nye, who is the president of the National Association of State and Territorial Apprenticeship Directors.

Mr. Nye is from Madison, Wis. Senator Nelson is here and I know he would like to present him to the subcommittee.

Senator NELSON. Mr. Chairman, Mr. Charles Nye is not only national president of the National Association, but director of the apprenticeship division for the State of Wisconsin, and I might tell you, Mr. Chairman, that the Apprenticeship Training Act, the first one in the Nation, was passed in June of 1911 by the Wisconsin Legislature and it was another 21 years before any other State passed an actand that was Oregon in 1932, and the Federl Government in 1937. Mr. Nye is the second Director of apprenticeship training in Wisconsin. The first one was a very distinguished gentleman who has had a great impact and influence on the development of these programs in all the States and in the Nation, by the name of Walter Simon, who was the first graduate of an apprenticeship training program in the United States and became director of the Wisconsin program in 1919 and served for 41 years as director. Mr. Nye is the second director of a very fine Wisconsin program.

We are pleased to have you here to appear today before the subcommittee. As I told you in my office, I had a commitment that is going to cause me to have to leave. We appreciate your taking the time in coming here and giving your testimony.

STATEMENT OF CHARLES T. NYE, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF STATE AND TERRITORIAL APPRENTICESHIP DIRECTORS

Mr. NYE. Fine, thank you. It is really too bad Walter could not have been here to hear your comments, Senator.

As you can see, gentlemen, there have not been a great number of openings for the directorship of apprenticeship training over a number of years. Rather than taking your time this morning in going over what has been done over the years by State agencies and particularly in the State of Wisconsin, I thought possibly I would move along to the item of what could be done in the future.

Probably the most serious common problem that is run into both by the Department of Labor field staff and the State apprenticeship agencies or any agency, even those private contracting agencies, in the field of on-the-job training and manpower is the approval process and subsequent funding processes of starting and developing and actually getting the program off the ground.

There are far too many people involved in this process. The procedure itself in 22 years of practice has shown us that there are, again, too many people involved, too many departments involved in actually gaining approval.