...and attracting his companion's attention to the exceedingly simple yet beautiful melody which came in towards the end of the piece exclaimed : "Cramer, Cramer, we shall never attain to that!" And when the movement was repeated and increased in motion Beethoven kept time to...

...were walking together and hearing a performance of Mozart's Pianoforte Concerto in C minor (K491); Beethoven suddenly stood still and, directing his...We shall never be able to do anything like that!' Luigi CHERUBINI (1760-1842) Italian composer of some thirty operas, who spent twenty years as Director...

...Beethoven was particularly entranced by this passage, and reportedly exclaimed to Cramer upon hearing it: "Cramer, Cramer! we shall never be able to do anything like that!" See Thayer's Life of Beethoven, rev. and ed. Elliot Forbes (Princeton, 1967), p. 209. The Eb chord...

...pianists were walking together and hearing a performance of Mozart's pianoforte Concerto in C minor (K. 491); Beethoven suddenly stood still and, directing...manner manifested a delight rising to enthusiasm. Schindler's record of his conversations upon Beethoven with Cramer and Cherubini in 1841 is interesting...

...that Thayer has left us: walking in the Augarten with JB Cramer during a performance of the concerto, Beethoven "suddenly stood still and, directing his...we shall never be able to do anything like that!' " 9 This incident, reportedly told to Thayer by Cramer's widow, is generally supposed to have occurred...

...Concertos Nos. 3 and 4 and the Violin Concerto set in the context of this quotation, see Owen Jander, '"Cramer, Cramer! We shall never be able to do anything like that!": Understanding a Favorite Quotation about Mozart's Concerto in C minor, K. 491, and Mozart's Influence...