Mr. CAMPBELL. Yes, sir.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. I offer for the record a subpena, No. 1059. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-A" ("Exhibit JCC-1") and appears in the appendix on pp. 7271-7273.)

Senator LA FOLLETTE. That is the subpena served upon you as secretary of the Johnstown Citizens' Committee, is it not, or a copy of it?

Mr. CAMPBELL. It seems to be the same as my copy; yes, sir.
Senator LA FOLLETTE. Have you your copy there?

Mr. CAMPBELL. I would say it is the same.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let it be entered in the record.

I also offer for the record a telegram dated November 11, 1937, addressed to you as secretary of the Johnstown Chamber of Commerce and signed by Robert Wohlforth, secretary of this subcommittee.

(The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-B" ("Exhibit JCC-2") and appears in the appendix on p. 7273.)

Senator LA FOLLETTE. I also offer for the record a letter of November 12, 1937, signed by Robert Wohlforth, secretary of the subcommittee, addressed to you at Johnstown, Pa., which mentions the subpenas, and it may be entered in the record.

(The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-C" ("Exhibit JCC-3") and appears in the appendix on p. 7273.)

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Referring to subpena No. 1059, Mr. Campbell, the first paragraph reads as follows:

The constitution, charter, bylaws, and declaration of principles, and all forms of application for membership, membership cards, or other indicia of membership.

Mr. CAMPBELL. May I ask, for the purpose of identification, which subpena it is? I do not know the subpenas by number.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. This is the subpena served upon you personally and as secretary of the Johnstown Citizens' Committee.

Mr. CAMPBELL. Yes, sir.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. What have you to produce in response to paragraph 1 of that subpena?

Mr. CAMPBELL. If it will please your committee, I would like to offer this statement previous to submitting any records, dated November 15, 1937, and addressed to the Committee on Education and Labor, United States Senate, Washington, D. C.

GENTLEMEN: In answer to subpena issued by your committee upon Lawrence W. Campbell, personally, and as Secretary of Citizens Committee, Johnstown, Pa., under date of October 8, 1937; I, Lawrence W. Campbell, personally and as Secretary of Citizens Committee, cannot meet the detailed requirements of this subpena. SINCE,

(a) The Citizens Committee of Johnstown, Pa., was a voluntary and spontaneous assemblage of Citizens to meet an emergency already in existence and for the duration of the emergency only. Time did not permit creating an organization with constitution, bylaws, declaration of principles, etc.

(b) The Citizens Committee of Johnstown, Pa., had only one purpose to accomplish, that of reestablishing LAW and ORDER through normal governmental agencies. SO THAT,

1. The LIVES, HOMES, and NORMAL PURSUITS of Johnstown CITIZENS would be safe.

2. The workers, exceeding 11,000, who wanted to provide for their families through wages earned, rather than accept relief, were not denied that privilege.

3. The workers, who wanted to strike in behalf of their Union, were permitted to do so without restraint, which presupposes PEACEFUL PICKETING.

(c) Due to the heat and tenseness of the situation, the work of the Citizens Committee of Johnstown was limited to that of observation and ascertaining facts, so that constructive contacts could be maintained between the steel company, the workers, the Union, and the various governmental units, which precluded the necessity for detailed records other than those kept by the treasurer regarding the receipt and disbursement of funds.

(d) I have brought a miscellaneous assemblage of letters, telegrams, copy of booklet, and copies of the several ads which were published by the committee. These I submit to your committee for their examination.

Very truly yours,

/s/ LAWRENCE W. CAMPBELL.

(The document was marked "Exhibit JCC-4").)

Senator LA FOLLETTE. I assume from your statement, Mr. Campbell, that in response to paragraph 1 of this subpena that we are discussing now that there was never any constitution, charter, or bylaws of the Johnstown Citizens' Committee?

Mr. CAMPBELL. There never was.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were any membership records kept at all? Mr. CAMPBELL. The only membership record is a list that was made over the signature of the individuals. This list was compiled on June 14 at a meeting in the Elks' lodge room in Johnstown. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Was that the initial meeting?

Mr. CAMPBELL. That was the initial meeting.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let that document be given an exhibit number.

(The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-E" ("Exhibit JCC5") and appears in the appendix on pp. 7274-7275.)

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were any membership cards issued?
Mr. CAMPBELL. There were no membership cards issued.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Paragraph 2 of the subpena calls for all documents, records, and books of account.

Mr. CAMPBELL. The only records or books of account are those in the possession of the treasurer, George C. Rutledge.

May I qualify this membership list?

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes.

Mr. CAMPBELL. On pages 1 and 2 of it there are additional names that may be duplicated on the latter part, appearing on the stationery of the Elks' lodge. These names on the first two pages were obtained by people that permitted the use of their names in a public manner. In other words, it is a personal authorization.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were there any officers or others appointed in connection with this Johnstown Citizens' Committee?

Mr. CAMPBELL. The chairman was elected by the meeting on June 14 with powers to create his own organization.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. And did he create such an organization? Mr. CAMPBELL. He created an executive committee and established

a secretary.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Paragraph 3 of the subpena calls for all documents and records showing the names and addresses and dates of appointment or election of all officers, directors, and all members of all committees and the chairmen and officers thereof. Have

you any documents that you have produced in response to that paragraph?

Mr. CAMPBELL. That type of record was never kept.
Senator LA FOLLETTE. That record was never kept?

Mr. CAMPBELL. Never kept.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. And you have no records in your possession which would show the names of any of the people who were appointed subsequent to that time?

Mr. CAMPBELL. That is true.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Paragraph 4 calls for the minute books or other records containing all minutes of meetings of the members, directors, officers, and committees of the committee. Do you produce anything in response to that paragraph?

Mr. CAMPBELL. They were never kept.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Paragraph 5 calls for "copies of all letters, telegrams, pamphlets, brochures, or other papers, soliciting funds for, or descriptive of the purposes and aims of, or the services rendered by the committee, which were transmitted through the mails from May 1, 1937, to the date hereof, together with the list or lists of names and addresses to which such papers were sent, and all correspondence, letters, and memoranda received in response thereto." What do you produce in response to that paragraph?

Mr. CAMPBELL. I have approximately 300 letters and possibly 60 telegrams that are in my possession.1 Now there are other letters and telegrams that have gone to other members of the committee and also to the treasurer, who has the largest amount, because most of the correspondence was directed to the treasurer, together with the contributions of the donors.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let those be given one exhibit number. (The documents were marked "Exhibit 3787-F" ("Exhibit JCC6") and appear in the appendix on pp. 7275-7329.)

Mr. CAMPBELL. I would ask that the originals of these be returned

to me.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. As soon as possible, Mr. Campbell.
Mr. CAMPBELL. Yes, sir; thank you.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. We will try to accommodate you in that respect. Now, if I understand you, as the result of a thorough search of your files and all records and data in your possession, you have produced everything you have in response to paragraph 5? Mr. CAMPBELL. That is correct.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Paragraph 6 calls for "copies of all press releases, advertisements, or other material transmitted or sponsored by the committee for publication in any newspaper, journal, or periodical having reference to organizations of labor, industrial relations, or the enforcement of law with regard to labor disputes. from May 1, 1937, to the date hereof." Do you produce anything in response to that paragraph, Mr. Campbell?"

Mr. CAMPBELL. I have no copies of press releases. I do have three full-page advertisements; two of them under the date of June 16 and June 17 were run in the Johnstown papers.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Are those all the ads that were run?

1 There were also eight affidavits with the material submitted.

Mr. CAMPBELL. These are the ads, the only ads that I have copies of. There may have been one small ad announcing a bureau whereby anybody that needed the services of the committee could apply thereto. Now, I do not have a copy of that. That was an ad possibly two columns, 4 inches.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let those three advertisements be given an exhibit number.

(The documents were marked "Exhibit 3787-G" ("Exhibit JCC7") and appear in the appendix on pp. 7329-7331.)

Mr. CAMPBELL. Then the third full page ad is the one that appeared nationally, the "We Protest" ad. The date of it is not clear, but I think it was possibly run June 24. It was after the declaration of martial law, closing the steel plant in Johnstown.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Now paragraph 7 reads as follows:

Copies of all books, pamphlets, literature, and printed matter distributed by, or in behalf of the committee for the purpose of creating or influencing public opinion with regard to organizations of labor, industrial relations, or the enforcement of law with regard to labor disputes, from May 1, 1937, to the date hereof.

Do you produce anything in response to that?

Mr. CAMPBELL. I have already turned over the one pamphlet that was prepared for the committee, which is known as "The Lesson of Johnstown." I see it is bound up here with the letters and telegrams. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let it be given à separate exhibit number. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-H" ("Exhibit JCC8") and appears in the appendix on pp. 7331-7333.)

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Now paragraph 8 reads:

Copies of all speeches, dialogs, or programs, having reference to organizations of labor, industrial relations, or the enforcement of law with regard to labor disputes, transmitted by radio broadcast at the expense of or under the sponsorship of the committee.

What do you produce in response to that paragraph, Mr. Campbell? Mr. CAMPBELL. I have several speeches. However, this is not complete. This was not directly under my observation so I am limited on the amount that I can furnish.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Who was in charge of that?
Mr. CAMPBELL. Ketchum & Co., of Pittsburgh, Pa.
Senator LA FOLLETTE. Is that an advertising firm?
Mr. CAMPBELL. It is.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Will you please produce what you have in your possession?

Mr. CAMPBELL. There is one delivered by Rev. John H. Stanton on June 26.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Give them all an exhibit number.

(The documents were marked "Exhibit 3787-I" ("Exhibit JCC-9") and appear in the appendix, pp. 7333-7344.)

Mr. CAMPBELL. There is one delivered by George Boyd on June 25, 1937.

One delivered by George Griffith on June 27,1 1937.

One made by Mr. Ross 2 on June 26.

One made by Fulton I. Connor on June 26.

This exhibit was dated June 25, 1937.

Gordon Ross.

Here I believe is a second one of Rev. Dr. Stanton on June 26; and this is not clear, it looks like Stanton's speech on June 23.1 I am not positive of the identification of that.

Here is another one delivered by Francis Martin on June 25, 1937. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Have you now furnished everything in your possession in response to paragraph 8?

Mr. CAMPBELL. That is, to the best of my knowledge, all that I have possession of.2

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Will you look at paragraph 9, please? What do you produce as the result of your search of your files and records in response to that paragraph?

Mr. CAMPBELL. I have nothing, sir. All money handled for the Johnstown Citizens' Committee was through the office of the treasurer and I believe that he has a proper accounting both as to the receipts and disbursements of said funds.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Now will you look at paragraph 10 and the subdivisions (a), (b), (c), (d), (e), (f), and (g)? Do you produce anything in response to those?

Mr. CAMPBELL. I have no information or records pertaining to those.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Will you look at paragraph 11? Do you produce anything in response to that paragraph?

Mr. CAMPBELL. I have nothing.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Paragraph 12?

Mr. CAMPBELL. The same as the preceding paragraph. I have nothing.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. How about your relation with Ketchum & Co. For example, did you have any agreement with them, or any contract?

Mr. CAMPBELL. There was no written contracts and I have no knowledge of any verbal contracts.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Did you have any correspondence with them?

Mr. CAMPBELL. I do not have any in my possession, any correspondence with them. I think it was all verbal.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Well, you made a thorough search of your files?

Mr. CAMPBELL. Of my files; yes, sir.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Will you look at paragraph 13, please, Mr. Campbell?

Mr. CAMPBELL. Absolutely no information.
Senator LA FOLLETTE. And paragraph 14?

Mr. CAMPBELL. Nothing at all.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Paragraph 15?

Mr. CAMPBELL. I have not been able to find in my files any copies in answer to this paragraph.

Senator LA FOLLETTE. Well, did you have any such correspondence?

Mr. CAMPBELL. There could have been an exchange of telegrams from Rembert G. Smith pertaining to the attending of a com

1 This exhibit was dated June 26, 1937.

2 The witness also produced two speeches by Dr. John H. Stanton, dated June 27, 1937, and June 28, 1937.