mittee meeting in New York of the Citizens' National Committee, but in going through the files I have not been able to locate that. I may qualify that in this way, that during the active period of this situation in Johnstown the most of my time was spent in the field as a matter of observing what was going on, and we did not conduct the secretarial work of this organization similar to what you would of a constituted organization, because it was an emergency job and was so handled. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Will you look at paragraph 16, please? Mr. CAMPBELL. There was no such effort and necessarily no such correspondence or records. Senator LA FOLLETTE. I would like to go back to paragraph 4 for a moment, please, Mr. Campbell. Mr. CAMPBELL. Pardon me, sir. There may be a possibility in these telegrams, that there may be a telegram from Rembert G. Smith, but the nature of it would be similar to what I stated. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Look again at paragraph 4 which calls for minutes, and for your information, and to refresh your recollection I will show you a copy which has come into the hands of the committee's staff from Mr. Rutledge, the minutes of the meeting of the citizens' committee, and I ask you to look at it and see if it refreshes your recollection about any minutes that you may have kept. Mr. CAMPBELL. That is more of an authorization to Mr. Rutledge than it is minutes. Without looking at it, I think the occasion was during the absence of the chairman from the city and the committee authorized Carl E. Geis to become cosigner of checks with Rutledge, and this was merely a notification in writing to clear Rutledge's records. That was the occasion for this. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Have you read it over? Mr. CAMPBELL. I have not. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Please do so. Mr. CAMPBELL. Yes; in the second to the last paragraph. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes; but some of the other paragraphs, do not they read like minutes of meetings? Mr. CAMPBELL. That is right. The entire meeting was written up on this report. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Does that refresh your recollection about any minutes that were kept? Mr. CAMPBELL. It does not, sir. It was only the occasion where there was a requirement needed to clear finances that anything of this nature was kept. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Were there any other occasions aside from this one? Mr. CAMPBELL. I do not recall of any occasion, because the chairman was out of the city for this one period and, to the best of my knowledge, there was no further occasion. I do not have the original, sir. The original of this would have been sent to Mr. George C. Rutledge. Senator THOMAS. How does the heading of these minutes read, Mr. Campbell? Mr. CAMPBELL. "Minutes of the executive committee of the citizens' committee at 10 a. m., July 19, 1937." Senator LA FOLLETTE. Now will you look at the subpena please, Mr. Campbell, served upon you, personally, and as secretary of the Johnstown Chamber of Commerce? Mr. CAMPBELL. Did I clarify the point that the original of the memorandum of minutes there was sent directly to George C. Rutledge? It would account for it not being in my records. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes, sir. Now will you refer to the subpena served upon you, personally, and as secretary of the Johnstown Chamber of Commerce? This subpena was served upon you, was it not? Mr. CAMPBELL. That is right. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Will you look at paragraph 1? Mr. CAMPBELL. That is right. Senator LA FOLLETTE. What do you produce in response to that paragraph? Let the subpena be printed in the record. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-J" ("Exhibit JChC10") and appears in the appendix on pp. 7344-7346.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. What is that, please? Mr. CAMPBELL. That is the copy of the bylaws, sir, that we function under. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let it be given an exhibit number. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-K" ("Exhibit JChC11") and appears in the appendix on pp. 7346-7350.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Now, will you look at paragraph 2? Mr. CAMPBELL. On paragraph 2 we have the roster of the membership to offer, and I will qualify that by saying that in 1936, March 9, the Johnstown Chamber of Commerce was reorganized. At that date I went to it as secretary, so I am unable to give the membership roster previous to that time. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let that paper be given an exhibit number. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-L" ("Exhibit JChC12") and appears in the appendix on pp. 7350-7356.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Does that show the dues and other contributions? Mr. CAMPBELL. The dues and contributions will show up in the financial statesments that I am able to submit records of, going back to 1933. The annual dues are $25 per member. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let that document be given an exhibit number. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-M" ("Exhibit JChC13") and appears in the appendix on pp. 7356–7359.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Now, are you producing, under paragraph 3, any minutes? Mr. CAMPBELL. I would like to read this statement in answer to this subpena [reading]: In answer to subpena issued by your committee upon Lawrence W. Campbell, personally and as secretary of the Johnstown Chamber of Commerce, under date of October 27, 1937, I, Lawrence W. Campbell, personally, and as secretary of the Johnstown Chamber of Commerce, cannot meet request made in duces tecum of your subpena contained in paragraphs 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8, inclusive, since (a) the Johnstown Chamber of Commerce, neither directly nor indirectly, functions in the manner set forth in the paragraphs above enumerated. In answer to paragraphs 1, 2, and 3 of the same subpena, I, Lawrence W. Campbell, personally and secretary of the Johnstown Chamber of Commerce, have brought certified copies of all information available in answer to aboveenumerated paragraphs of said subpena. However, since the chamber of commerce has not carried on activities listed in paragraphs 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8 of this subpena, the information requested in paragraphs 1, 2, and 3 is immaterial, and has no place in the record of this hearing. Very truly yours, LAWRENCE W. CAMPBELL. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-N" ("Exhibit JChC14") and appears in the appendix on p. 7360.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Therefore, if I understand you, your statement can be summarized by stating that in response to paragraph 4, and the subdivisions thereof, 5, 6, 7, and 8 of this subpena, you have no records to produce, or documents? Mr. CAMPBELL. We have no activities of that nature and no records are necessary. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Now, you also were served, Mr. Campbell, with subpena No. 1060 on October 11, personally and as secretary of the Citizens' National Committee. If I understand you, you did not Occupy that position? Mr. CAMPBELL. That is true. Senator LA FOLLETTE. You were simply a member of the committee? Mr. CAMPBELL. On July 15 I was asked to serve as acting secretary until the meeting moved into New York a week or 10 days subsequently, at which time Mr. McHarg1 was elected secretary. Senator LA FOLLETTE. You were served with the subpena, were you not? Mr. CAMPBELL. That is right; and in answer to that subpenaSenator LA FOLLETTE (interposing). Just a moment. Let a copy of the subpena be printed in the record. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-O" ("Exhibit JChC15") and appears in the appendix on pp. 7360-7362.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Now you may proceed. Mr. CAMPBELL (reading): In answer to subpena issued by your committee under date of October 8, 1937, I, Lawrence Campbell, Johnstown, Pa., cannot meet requirements as set forth in duces tecum of this subpena. I am not a member of the Citizens' National Committee and do not have possession of records requested. Very truly yours, LAWRENCE W. CAMPBELL. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-P" ("Exhibit JChC16") and appears in the appendix on p. 7362.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Now, Mr. Campbell, all three of these subpenas will be continued in full force and effect, but your further personal attendance upon the proceedings of this committee will not be required at this time, and if you are required to appear again at any time you will be given ample notice. Thank you. Mr. CAMPBELL. May I suggest that you do not take us right before Christmas, because we have some merchandising to do up there. Senator LA FOLLETTE. We will bear that in mind. Mr. CAMPBELL. Pardon me, sir. I believe a list of the names of the officers and directors of the chamber of commerce has not been introduced. I have a list here of them available. 1 Ormsby McHarg. Senator LA FOLLETTE. That will be given an exhibit number. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-Q" ("Exhibit JChC17") and appears in the appendix on pp. 3787-7364.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Chester A. Hanson. TESTIMONY OF CHESTER A. HANSON (The witness was sworn by Senator La Follette.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Your full name and address? Mr. HANSON. Chester A. Hanson; 42 Maple Street, Milford, Conn. Senator LA FOLLETTE. What is your occupation or official connection? Mr. HANSON. I am the secretary-treasurer of the Constitutional Educational League, Inc. Senator LA FOLLETTE. And you are appearing in response to a subpena served on you on October 28, 1937, to produce documents and records called for by such a subpena; are you not? Mr. HANSON. Yes, sir. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let a copy of the subpena be inserted in the record. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-R” (“Exhibit CEL-18") and appears in the appendix on pp. 7364-7366.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. I also offer for the record a copy of a telegram addressed to you under date of November 11, 1937, signed by Robert Wohlforth, secretary of the subcommittee, and a letter under date of November 15, 1937, also addressed to you and signed by Robert Wohlforth as secretary of the subcommittee. (The documents were marked "Exhibits 3787-S and 3787-T" (“Exhibits CEL-19 and CEL-20") and appear in the appendix on p. 7366.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Will you look at the subpena please, Mr. Hanson? What do you produce in response to paragraph 1 of the subpena? Mr. HANSON. I have nothing to produce today, sir. The records are not in my possession at the present moment. Senator LA FOLLETTE. In whose possession are the records? Mr. HANSON. They are in the possession of Joseph P. Kamp, with the exception, sir, of a certified copy of the articles of incorporation, or articles of association. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Let that be given an exhibit number. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-U" (“Exhibit CEL-21”) and appears in the appendix on p. 7367.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. What are your duties as secretary-treasurer of this organization, Mr. Hanson? Mr. HANSON. My duties are to keep the records of the organization and general secretarial duties, to endorse and issue checks in the name of the organization for the payment of salaries and other expenses that are accruing in connection with our organizational activities. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you have any other duties? Mr. HANSON. Well, I have duties to write some time, on occasions to make speeches. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you keep the minutes of the meetings as secretary of the organization? Mr. HANSON. Yes, sir. Senator LA FOLLETTE. And where do you ordinarily keep your records and documents? Mr. HANON. In the office, 42 Church Street, New Haven, Conn. Senator LA FOLLETTE. And were those documents in the office when this subpena was served upon you? Mr. HANSON. Yes, sir. Senator LA FOLLETTE. When did those documents go out of your possession? Mr. HANSON. Sunday, November 14, 1937. Senator LA FOLLETTE. And at whose instance? Mr. HANSON. At the instance of Mr. Kamp. Senator LA FOLLETTE. Describe what was said on that occasion. Mr. HANSON. Yes, sir. The summons for the production of these various papers and files and material called for in this summons was also served on Mr. Kamp to produce the same papers, and Mr. Kamp, who was leaving by automobile for a trip in through Pennsylvania, Ohio, Illinois, perhaps Wisconsin, and Missouri, out through the Middle West, he understood at that time that he was also to appear today in this session, and he said to me, he says, "I am driving down and I will take the records with me, and I will have an opportunity to look through them and see what is in them before the material is turned over to the committee." Do you want me to go on further? Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes. Mr. HANSON. On Tuesday, November 16,1 when I received a letter from Mr. Wohlforth, secretary of this committee, stating that I was the only one to appear today and that the subpenas Nos. 1081 and 1091, addressed the Constitutional Education League and served upon Joseph P. Kamp and William H. Rush, Jr., respectively, is hereby at the direction of Senator Robert M. La Follette, Jr., extended to December 15, 1937, Mr. Kamp called me on Tuesday night and I informed him that his subpena had been extended to December 15, and on the following day I received the following telegram. Do you want me to read the telegram? Senator LA FOLLETTE. Yes. CHESTER A. HANSON, First National Bank Building, New Haven: Subpena served on me also calls for production of papers and records. Feel because of prior service responsibility rests with me and I intend to take material Washington personally. In meantime will have time to make inspection and copies. Because postponement my appearance will make western trip now. Chicago week end, St. Louis next week. Regards. JOSEPH P. KAMP. (The document was marked "Exhibit 3787-V" ("Exhibit CEL22") and appears in the appendix on p. 7368.) Senator LA FOLLETTE. Do you know of your own knowledge where the records are physically at the present time? Mr. HANSON. I do not. hibit CEL-20). See p. 7366. |