Q. Be so good as to relate what passed at that time. A. Dunn said, he was sorry that he had injured Mr. Walker's character in the manner he had done; that he had never seen any thing that was bad by him. He asked me to go to Barlow-Hall with him that night, to see Mr. Walker. Q. Did that request come from him to you? A. It did; I told him I would not go with him at that time of night, but if he chose, I would go with him the next day; he said, no, he would see Mr. Walker before he slept; I said, he had better send to see whether Mr. Walker was in town, or not, to save him the labour of going. Esther Ottey went to see whether Mr. Walker was at home; she went to Mr. Thomas Walker's house in town, the servant told her he was in town, but he was gone out to tea and supper; when she came back, Dunn desired Esther Ottey and me to go to Mr. Richard Walker's, and see if he was at home. Q. Did you, or did Twiss at this time, force the conversation, or was it entirely from himself? A. He said it voluntarily of himself. Q. Did you draw him on by any thing? Mr. Erskine. Speak up. One of the Jury. It does not signify, we have been satisfied a long while. A. I went out with Esther Ottey, to Mr. Richard Walker's; he said, if Thomas Dunn wanted to see him, he might come up in the course of half an hour, and he would let his brother know. I suppose he did let him know. Esther Ottey went up to see if he was come in half an hour. He was not at home, she waited a little time,-then we took Dunn there, John Twiss and me, and left him at Mr. Richard Walker's door. Q. Was he carried in custody at all? A. No, he desired us to go with him. Q. And you went and left him at Mr. Richard Walk ́er's? A. Yes. Q. What time in the evening was this? A. About nine o'clock, as near as I can guess; it might be half an hour before, or half an hour after. Q. Did you observe, during the conversation you have been relating, whether Dunn appeared to be cool or was agitated? A. He seemed very much to want to go. Q. Did he appear to be much moved? A. He seemed to be very much affected for doing what he had done he seemed to relent. Q. Was 2. Was you in company, or did 28th of March? you see Dunn upon the A. No, I saw him on the 20th. Q. At what time of day? Q. What passed then? A. He was in at John Twiss's again, Twiss sent for me in, Dunn said he had seen Mr. Kinnaston, and he had challeged him with being acquainted with John Twiss, which he said he denied. Q. Did you see whether he had cried; or observe any thing of that sort? A. Yes, I saw tears in his eyes several times. Q. You don't know how long he had been at Twiss's, when you found him there on the 18th of March? A. No. Q. Nor how much liquor he had drunk ? A. No, I do not. A. Do you know whether he had drank any? A. He had had a little, but he was quite sensible; he knew what he was saying and doing. Q. Just as much as he knows now? A. He was not half so much in liquor then as he is now. Q. How came Twiss to have him in his care? A. I suppose Dunn came to seek Twiss. Q. What connection has Twiss with Mr. Walker? A. I do not know that he has any. er's? Q. Is not he a workman of Mr. Walker's? A. I dare say he is. Q. How long had he been after this man to get hold of him? A. I cannot tell any thing about it. Q. When you saw him again, he was with Mr. Walker's clerk ? A. On the 19th Dunn said Kinnaston had challenged him with being with Mr. Walker's clerk. 2. Was he with Mr. Walker's clerk then? A. He was; but I was not there till late in the evening. Q. Was he drunk then? A. No, as sober as I am now. 2. Was it late? A. It was about nine o'clock. 2. He did not appear to have drank any thing? A. He A. He might have had some drink, but he was perfectly sober. John Twiss (sworn). Q. You live at Manchester, don't you? A. Yes. Q. Are you one of the special constables of Manchester? Q. There have been several appointed within the town, two hundred, or thereabouts, I believe? A. I do not know just the number. Q. Do you know Dunn the witness, that has been examined? A. I know this man Thomas Dunn. Q. Were you with him on the 18th of March? A. I was. Q. How happened you to come together on that day? A. Thomas Dunn called at my house; I was lying on the bed; I was sick; he came, and said he had a shilling to spend. Q. You did not take him into custody? A. No. Q. It is not usual, is it, for people to come to a special constable for the purpose of being taken into custody? A. I went along with him to Welch's; he began reflecting upon his bad conduct-that he had used Mr. Walker ill. very. "Did he begin of his own accord? A. A. Yes, he did; he repeatedly said, he had used Mr. Walker very ill, that he was sorry for it, and would ask Mr. Walker pardon. I said, if thou hast used him ill, thou had better ask his pardon in the public news-paper. Q. Did he express any desire to see Mr. Walker? A. Yes, he did, and he would see him, and he wanted me to go to Barlow-Hall with him, and he would pay my ex pences. Q. How far is Barlow-Hall from Manchester? A. I do not know-I was never there.-I said it was rather too late; if he would content himself, I would go with him in the morning. 2. Was Spink with you at that time? A. Spink was in my house, we came from Welch's; Spink came into my house, he desired Spink likewise to go along with him. Q. Did you ever give him any money, or make him any promises, to induce him to say any thing upon the subject? A. Never 4. Never a farthing in my days but otherwise-I told him I would not, never gave him a halfpenny in my life; I lent him thirteen shillings at different times-part of the money before I knew any thing about Mr. Walker's affair, that was on the 20th of October last, on a Sunday night; I lent it to him and Sidebottom, and they went and spent it; it was of a Sunday night. Q. After that time, did you ever lend him any thing? Q. When was the last time you lent him any money? Q. How long before the 18th of March, had you lent him money? A. ́ I had never lent him a halfpenny, but four shillings. Q. Had you lent him any thing between the 20th of October, and the 18th of March? 4. Not a halfpenny, nor never promised him any thing. Q. You did not go with him to Barlow that night? A. No-Dunn proposed to Esther Ottey, to go and see if Mr. Walker was at home-I was not taking every notice in the world. I think she said, I saw Mr. Walker in the town to-day, had not somebody better go and see if he is in Manchester; he desired her to go, she went, when she came back the information to the best of my knowledge was, she said Mr. Walker is gone out to supper, and it will be late before he returns. Upon this Dunn was determined he would see him he said before he slept; he sent her a second time, to go to Mr. Richard Walker, and John Spink and she went to the best of my knowledge; they returned back, and told him Mr. Richard Walker was at home, and Spink and me might bring him up; we went and brought him up, and left him at the door. Q. Was all this done entirely upon his own solicitation, and at his own request? A. Upon my oath it was at his own request, not one word of interrogation. Q. Had you ever any sort of conversation with Mr. Thomas Walker? A. I never spoke to Mr. Thomas Walker since he was born, but at one time; there was a fire at a new building at the bottom of Bridge-street. I did not see a constable, or any one assisting but myself. The gentlemen were beating up for the marine corps. Mr. Thomas Walker and Mr. Richard Walker came up, and a brutish kind of a man knock'd another man down in the sludge. Mr. Thomas Walker said to me, 66 do you know that man ?" "I do not, "sir." That is every word I ever changed with Mr. Thomas Walker in my life. Mr. Mr. Erskine (to Dunn). What Do you say to this now? Thomas Dunn. I say it is false, every word of it. John Twiss. Cross-examined by Mr. Topping. Q. You are, I believe. a fustian-cutter of Mr. Walker's? A. By business, I am. Q. How long have you worked for Mr. Walker? A. I worked for Mr. Walker-that is, I work for Esther Ottey, and she has had work from that house for about six years. Q. You was saying something about the ninth of January? A. I have not told you aught about it yet. 2. Was you with Dunn upon the ninth of January? A. I was. Q. Where? A. At the White Bear, opposite the Infirmary; from thence we took a walk to Pendleton Pole. Q. You was with him upon the ninth of January? Q. Had you been drinking with him at both these publichouses? A. On the eighth I drank share of a pint of porter, and left him. Q. How came you to be seeking his company, upon the eighth and ninth? A. He fell into my company on the eighth; I had been at Liverpool, and delivered a message from Luke Foster, and that was the reason I saw him. Q. Upon the 20th of October, or thereabouts, you had lent this man some money? A. Four shillings. Q. Had you any manner of knowledge of Dunn? A. Seeing him last assizes here. Q. And yet, upon the 20th of October, you lent him money? A. Yes, I did; I have lent many a four shillings to different people. Q. Having no knowledge of him, but what you had at the last assizes here, you lent him four shillings upon the 20th of October? A. Peter Sidebottom was in company with me. Q. You say you was at Liverpool; did not Dunn go from Manchester to Liverpool with you? A. Not with me. Q. You went after him? A. No. 631818 |