What is Needham ? A person in business.

What business? (witness here paused.) A mighty pause! I believe he is something in the business of a chandler.

Have you a nose ?---are you not sure he was a chandler, if he were a chandler? What street was it? I do not know the name of it.

Was it in the main-street? Where the meeting was held there is a junction of three roads, the canal road, the Dublin coach road, andDid you hear the shouting and see the brandishing of stick's while were in Needham's house? I did, several times.

Will you name the hours at which you saw this? o'clock until about two, when Mr. O'Connell was there.

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From about ten

There were oc

casional displays of the mob leaping on the ground, waiving their sticks, hallooing, and shouting.

How often were those displays made? I cannot be positive.
Were they many times? Many times.

They extended over the whole of that time, and there were no policeman walking up and down? I saw no policeman there.

None,

On your oath did you see a policeman walking up and down? from the time the meeting was gathered ? 1 swear I did not see a policeman from eight till ten.

Did you see one after ten ?
Was there loud shouting?

I may have seen one after ten.
There was,

Every one must have heard it as well as you? Yes, every one within the possibility of hearing the shouting.

That is where you were? Yes, any one who had the use of his ears might have heard it.

Must not the waiving of sticks have been visible to others as well as you? Yes, to every one in the same position.

It was a very remarkable thing? Decidedly.

You saw no policeman from eight till ten? During the time of the meeting I saw no policeman; I may have seen them going to the barracks.

Did you see the police in the streets up to eleven o'clock in the day? Yes, I may have seen an odd policeman.

Armed? Yes, some of them may have had arms.

Now, cannot you answer me positively, without using the word "may ?”. I am disposed to answer you as well as I can.

Did you see a policeman armed that day? Some of them may have been armed (much laughter).

Mr. Fitzgibbon---You may go down.

RE-EXAMINED BY MR. SERGEANT WARREN.

Were they in their barracks that day, or about the town? know.

I do not

Now you were asked did you see Mr. O'Connell's pause---do you know what Mr. O'Connell's paws are ? I may have heard of the people being

made cats'-paws of (a laugh).

Mr. Fitzgibbon-And that is an observation originally made by one of her Majesty's counsel, and now used by one of her Majesty's sergeants, as arising out of my cross-examination.

The witness was then ordered to go down, and the court adjourned at a quarter to five o'clock till ten o'clock the following morning.

SEVENTH DAY.

The court sat on Tuesday at a few minutes past ten o'clock, Mr. Justice Burton being still absent from indisposition. The court was little more than half filled at the commencement of the proceedings. The names of the traversers and the jury having been called over.

JOHN MAGUIRE WAS SWORN AND EXAMINED BY MR. BENNETT, Q.C.

You are a head-constable of police ? I am.

Where were you stationed in the month of May last?
In Sligo.
Did you attend the Repeal meeting at Longford? I did.
What day did it take place? The 20th of May.
Did you see the people coming into the town?
About what hour of the day was that?

It was a Monday.

I did.

Between nine and ten o'clock

in the morning; there were hands of music parading the streets.

You saw bands of music? Yes; they were playing " Patrick's Day," "the Irishmen," and "Garryowen."

Had they any particular dress? Yes; they had a kind of military cap. The noise in the court being here very great,

Mr. Hatchell said---Speak out.

Mr. Bennett---If you can induce the gentlemen about you not to talk so loud, the witness can be heard.

Mr. Fitzgibbon---There is no one talking here.

Mr. Bennett---I tell you there are.

Mr. Fitzgibbon---And I tell you there are not.

Mr. Bennett---I did not refer to you at all, Mr. Fitzgibbon.

Mr. Ford---I was merely making a suggestion to Mr. Hatchell.

Mr. Bennett---Then you were doing the very thing I objected to (a laugh). The Chief Justice---Mr. Ford, I do not think there is any necessity for your interference.

Mr. Fitzgibbon---There has been no talking here.

Mr. Bennett---Well, are you going to argue it?

Mr. Ford was about to speak, when

Mr. Bennett, interposing---Mr. Ford, will you allow me to examine the witness ?

Mr. Ford---I have not the slightest objection.

Mr. Bennett (to the witness)-You were describing the band of music ? Yes.

Now, let the jury hear what you are saying? They had military caps; there were two bands; one had red bands and tassels on their caps, and the other gold bands; there was another hand preceded by a man like a drum-major, with a large stick.

Did the people follow these bands through the town? They did.

Can

you form any estimate of the number of persons who were present

on that occasion? To the best of my opinion, there were from forty to fifty thousand persons assembled on that occasion.

Was there any persons leading the people as they were coming into town? I saw the people coming in in a kind of military order, led by a person whom, to the best of my belief, was a Roman Catholic Priest.

What do you mean by military order? I mean that they walked in regular order, in rank and file.

Did you see any horsemen come in? Yes, several.

When did they come in? They came in along with Mr. O'Connell ; there were about a hundred horsemen.

How did Mr. O'Connell come in? He came on the front box of a carriage.

Was it an open carriage? Was any one sitting with sitting with him on the box. not know him.

No; it was a closed carriage.
him? Yes; there was another gentleman
I believe it was Bishop Higgins; but I did

Was there any one in the carriage? Yes I saw Mr. Steele inside the carriage.

Was any one with Mr. Steele? There was another person sitting in it with Mr. Steele, who appeared to be a clerical gentleman; but I do not know who he was.

At what time did Mr, O'Connell come? About two o'clock. He was preceded by three or four bands playing before him.

Did you observe any green broughs on that accasion? Yes, I saw boughs on the houses, and some persons held boughs in their hands, waiving them and shouting.

Did you see any sticks? Yes, some of the persons I saw coming in had sticks, and brandished them while they were cheering

How long did these proceedings, I mean the meeting, continue ? Until about four or five o'clock, when the meeting terminated. Did you happen to get near the platform? Yes. Were there a number of persons on the platform? Yes; a great number of persons were on it. The platform was a very large one. Could you point out any of the traversers you saw there besides Mr. O'Connell and Mr. Steele? No.

Did you take any notes of the proceeding? I took notes of the mottos and banners; but High Constable Johnson was with me, and as we could not conveniently take notes of the proceedings together he took notes by my directions.

You then have notes of the mottos and banners ?

Yes.

Was there any motto on the platform? Yes; the motto "Ireland for the Irish and the Irish for Ireland," was placed conspicuously there,

What other motto did you see? In other parts of the town I saw"Nine millions of people are too great to be dragged at the tail of any other nation." It was on a large piece of calico or linen on the Dublin road.

At what time did you see that motto? I saw it after the meeting. Did you pass that road before the meeting? No; I did not pass after the meeting, when I saw the inscription.

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What other mottos id you see? "He who commits a crime gives strength to the enemy."

Are you sure the word enemy was there? Yes, quite sure, There was also the words "Cead mille failthe" in another place.

Did you hear Mr. O'Connell's speech on that occasion? Yes.

Would you mention any parts of the speech which you may happen to recollect? He said "This was no vain cause."

Did you hear Mr. O'Connell say anything about trial by jury and the administration of justice? I have no distinct recollection of the words he used; but on the day after the meeting I read--

Mr. Hatchell---No one has anything to do, sir, with what you read. Mr. Bennett---I do not ask what you read, but what you recollect. The witness was again about to proceed, when he was interrupted by Judge Perrin---Are you now about to speak from your own memory, or from what you read in the newspapers?

Mr. Bennett---Tell only what you recollect yourself.

Witness---Mr. O'Connell said, to the best of my memory, "They take the commission of the peace from your respected supporters."

Mr. Bennett-Do sentence was :

you recollect anything else he said? His concluding

"Go home quitely, and tell your friends what you have heard here today, and to be ready to come when I want them again."

When the people were coming in did you see any stick with them? I saw some people brandishing sticks as they were coming in.

After Mr. O'Connell had made his speech did you see any brandishing of sticks? The witness, as well as we could hear his answer, said he did not observe any.

Mr. Fitzgibbon---I appeal to the court whether that question was put in a legal way or not.

Judge Perrin--The question has been answered, and what harm has been done?

Mr. Fitzgibbon---It has turned out, my lord, that the answer could do us no harm, but that does not prevent the question put by Mr. Bennett from being illegal.

Mr. Bennett---It is for the court to say whether the question be legal or not, but you have no right, sir, to decide, or to pronounce that my question was illegal. I insist that I was right in putting the question, and I adhere to my right.

Mr. Bennett (to witness)---After the speeches what did the people do? They all dispersed quietly after the meeting.

Do you happen to know where the bands came from? The persons in the house where I was--

Mr. Hatchell---You are not to tell what you do not know yourself? Then I do not know where the bands came from of my own knowledge.

Chief Justice---Did you say how many persons attended the meeting? Between forty and fifty thousand, but it was impossible to form an idea of the number.

CROSS-EXAMINED BY MR. HATCHELL, Q.C.

Are you in the constabulary? Yes.

What rank do you hold ? I am first head-constable, which is next in rank to a sub-inspector.

There are some grades, though, before you arrive at that honour? Yes; there is the head constable of a county, who is next to the sub-inspector. When did you come to Longford? On the 27th of May.

The meeting was on the 28th ?

It was.

Did you come with Mr. Johnstone, the gentleman examined yesterday? 1 did..

Did you see a report of his evidence in this morning's papers? No, I did not; I saw it last night.

Have you been in the army yourself? Never.

You appear to have been posted in some house near the platform, for the purpose of making observations? Yes; I got into a house which was convenient to the platform.

And from thence you were looking out on the proceedings? Yes.
Did you observe any breach of the peace? None.

Nor any tendency to it? I saw no breach of the peace committed. Upon your oath, sir, is that an answer to my question; why did you evade the last question I put to you; I wish to ask you fairly about what you saw, and I expect you'll answer me candidly, If you do not, we must proceed differently, and act reciprocally? I desire to answer candidly. You must answer me candidly. I take for granted you are not a Repealer, Captain Maguire? (a laugh.) I don't belong to any system. Mr. Bennett-That is a fair answer. He belongs to no class of politicians.

Mr. Hatchell-Well, not having seen a breach of the peace, or a tendency thereto, "Othello's occupation was gone"---wasn't that it? We did not go there to preserve the peace, we went there to make observations.

That is the first object of a good general, you know, to make his observations of the enemy and see how the land lies? We were desired to make our observations.

Are you not under the control of the sub-inspector?

Yes.

You were not sent there to preserve the peace, but to make observations?

Yes.

You saw people marching in military array, and shouting, and dancing, and kicking up their heels? (a laugh.) I saw them marching in military

array.

Were you often in a fair? I was.

Do you mean to say you never saw people there brandishing their sticks angrily ? No.

Did they brandish them angrily coming into Longford? No, they did not.

Well, then, there was no quarrelling among themselves? No.

How were they coming into town? They were coming alone, side by side, in parties, as soldiers marching in military array.

Did they shoulder their sticks? No (a laugh.)

Do you understand military exercises ? A little.

Had they anything on their shoulders ? No.

Did they come to port? (a laugh.) No.

Did they present arms to welcome the general? (a laugh.) No
Did they charge? (great laughter.) No, they did not.