House in ARMS (IRELAND) BILL.] committee on the Arms (Ireland) Bill. On clause 36, "no arms or ammunition to be kept by unlicensed persons." Sir W. Barron moved that the last three lines, enforcing penalty not exceeding 10l. and forfeiture, should be left out, and the words, "a fine not exceeding forty shillings," should be inserted. After some conversation the amendment was withdrawn. bounty orders should be thereafter re-sides of the House that it should be fully sumed, the claims of these parties should discussed. He was prepared to give his be taken into consideration. The result noble Friend an assurance that a bill had been, that up to this time there had would be introduced at a very early period not been any surplus arising out of the of the next Session for the purpose of monies appropriated to the payment of amending the law on this subject. the bounty orders. He would not now enter into the question of the abuse of the bounty orders, but they had of late been employed for a different purpose to that for which they were originally intended. The original intention had been to afford to colonists, possessing certain means, in consideration of their laying out a certain sum of money in the colony, the power of bringing out emigrants at the public expense; but they had become matters of transfer and sale, and it was uncertain, therefore, into whose hands they fell. In consequence of complaints which had been made of the want of labour in the Australian colonies, the Government had decided on issuing tenders to take out a limited number of emigrants to those colonies, on the faith of such funds as should be forthcoming in the colonies. The object was not to renew the system of bounty orders; but to alter that plan. He did not think that those persons, who two years ago held bounty orders, had such a claim as justified the Government in allowing them to receive 207. per head for all emigrants, when at the present rate of freight, the same advantages could be obtained at 161. or 177. per head. Mr. Ewart understood the noble Lord then to say that he did not think that the holders of the bounty orders had an equitable claim on the Government. Lord Stanley did not think that parties who had entered into these engagements two years ago had secured to themselves any preference in carrying out their undertaking. FACTORIES.] Lord Ashley begged to inquire of the right hon. Baronet at the head of her Majesty's Government, whether the Government intended to introduce any measure in the next Session of Parliament to amend the laws relating to factories? Sir R. Peel had no hesitation in saying that the postponement of the bill, which had been before the House, to a future Session, had not arisen from any doubt on the part of the Government of its importance or propriety, but only from the desire expressed by hon. Gentlemen on both Clause agreed to. Clauses up to 39 were then severally agreed to. On clause 40, licensed persons lending their licences to other persons, to be liable to a penalty. Sir R. Ferguson (proposed to insert the words "not being licensed." The committee divided on the question that the words be inserted: Ayes 33; Noes 86; Majority 53. The committee again divided, on the question that the clause stand part of the bill: Ayes 65; Noes 18; Majority 47. List of the AYES. Ackers, J. H. Hope, hon. C. Knatchbull,rt.hn.Sir E Knight, F. W. Lockhart, W. Mackenzie, T. Manners, Lord J. Marsham, Visct. Meynell, Capt. Plumptre, J. P. Pollock, Sir F. Smith, rt. hon.T.B.C. Stuart, W. V. Bowring, Dr. Clause to stand part of the bill. On clause 42, "licences to be had for making and repairing arms," being read, Mr. O'Brien objected to the whole clause, but particularly to the penalty of repairing arms without licence. He moved to leave out the words "mend or repair." The committee divided on the question that the words proposed to be left out stand part of the clause: Ayes 57; Noes 15; Majority 42. On the question that the blank in the clause be filled up with the words "fifty pounds," Lord Clements moved that the words be" twenty pounds." The committee divided on the question that the words be "fifty pounds:" Ayes 56; Noes 22; Majority 34. The committee again divided on the question that the clause stand part of the bill: Ayes 66; Noes 26; Majority 40. List of the AYES. Brotherton, J. Clause agreed to. O'Conor Don Plumridge, Capt. Trelawny, J. S. Wallace, R. Ward, H. G. Wawn, J. T. Williams, W. Wilshere, W. Wood, B. Wyse, T. Yorke, H. R. TELLERS. Norreys, Sir D. O'Brien, W. S. On clause 44, providing that "a monthly account of arms sold and repaired shall be kept, and returned to the sub-inspector of the constabulary force." Mr. Collet moved the omission of the word "repaired." The committee divided on the question that the word stand part of the clause ; Ayes 74; Noes 21; Majority 53. Clause agreed to. On clause 45; "licences under this act may be suspended on notice from the chief or under-secretary," Forman, T. S. Hardinge, rt.hn.SirH. Lord Clements moved that the words, chief or under-secretary" be omitted. The committee divided on the question that these words stand part of the clause; Ayes 94; Noes 11; Majority 83. Clause agreed to. On clause 46, justices of peace may search for arms kept for sale. The committee then divided on the question that the clause stand part of the bill; Ayes 93; Noes 34; Majority 59. Ackers, J. Acton, Col. Eliot, Lord Escott, B. Flower, Sir J. Lowther, J. H. Mackenzie, T. Alexander, N. Alford, Visct. List of the AYES. Antrobus, E. Blackburne, J. I. Jones, Capt. Boldero, H. G. Botfield, B.. Forman, T. S. Gladstone, rt.hn.W.E. Hardinge, rt.hn. SirH. Henley, J. W. Pringle, A. Repton, G. W. J. Round, J. Smith, rt, hn. T. B. C. Stuart, W. V. Stuart, H. Hervey, Lord A. Sutton, hon. H. M. Hodgson, R. Tennent, J. E. Thornhill, G. Hope, hon. C. Hope, G. W. Hornby, J. Hughes, W. B. Jones, Capt. Vesey, hon. T. TELLERS. Fremantle, Sir T. Young, J. List of the Noes. Boyd, J. Broadley, H. Broadwood, H. Brooke, Sir A. B. Bruce, Lord E. Buckley, E. Bunbury, T. Chelsea, Visct. Chetwode, Sir J. Chute, W. L. W. Clive, hon. R. H. Collett, W. R. Colvile, C. R. Corry, rt. hon. H. Courtenay, Lord Damer, hon. Col. Denison, E. B. Dickinson, F. H. Dodd, G. Douglas, Sir C. E. Egerton, W. T. Eliot, Lord Kemble, H. Duncombe, hon. A. Bowring, Dr. O'Conor Don East, J. B. Brotherton, J: Plumridge, Capt. Colebrooke, Sir T. E. Power, J. Collett, J. Trelawny, J. S. Crawford, W. S. Tuite, H. M. Duncan, G. Wallace, R. Dundas, Adm. Wawn, J. T. Elphinstone, H. Esmonde. Sir T. Hall, Sir B. Hatton, Capt. V. Williams, W. Wilshere, W. Wood, B. On clause 54, grand juries may present sums for paying clerks of the peace for their trouble. Estcourt, T. G. B. Flower, Sir J. Gaskell, J. Milnes Hardinge,rt. hn.Sir H, Knatchbull,rt.hn.SirE Lefroy, A. Nicholl, rt. hon. J. O'Brien, A. S. Patten, J. W. Peel, rt. hon. Sir R. Plumptre, J. P. Pollock, Sir F. Rashleigh, W. Rose, rt. hon. Sir G. Rushbrooke, Col. Sandon, Visct. Scott, hon. F. Smith, rt. hn. T. B. C. Stanley, Lord Stuart, W. V. Stuart, H. Sutton, hon. H. M. TELLERS. Clerk, Sir G. Young, J, Lowther, J. H. TELLERS. Wyse, J. O'Brien, W. S. Hayes, Sir E. Henley, J. W. Hope, G. W. Ingestre, Visct. Knatchbull,rt.hn. S House resumed, the committee to sit Lowther, hon. Col. Mackenzie, W. F. P. McGeachy, F. A. Masterman, J. Meynell, Capt. Mundy, E. M. Newry, Visct. O'Brien, A. S. Palmer, R. Peel, rt. hon. Sir R. Peel, J. Plumptre, J. P. Pollock, Sir F. Pringle, A. Rashleigh, W. Rushbrooke, Col. Smith, rt. hn. T. B, C. Stanley, Lord Sutton, hon. H. M. Thornhill, G. Vesey, hon. T. Wortley, hon. J. S. Young, J. TELLERS. Fremantle, Sir T. Bill put off for three months. FACTORIES ACT.] Mr Hindley moved, that leave be given to bring in a bill to amend the act 3 and 4 William 4th, c. 103. Sir James Graham trusted, that the hon. Member would not press his motion, as his right hon. Friend at the head of the Government had announced, at an early part of the evening, that it was the intention of her Majesty's Ministers to introduce a bill on the subject. Mr. Hindley said, that trusting that the promise of the right hon. Gentleman would be adhered to, he would consent to withdraw his motion. He knew that it was useless to press a bill of this kind against the wishes of the Government. Motion withdrawn. THE USURY LAWS.] Sir George Clerk moved for leave to bring in a bill to continue an act for exempting certain bills of exchange and promissory notes from the operation of the laws relating to usury. Mr. W. Williams trusted that before any attempt was made to proceed with this bill, that the Chancellor of the Exchequer would consent to the appointment of a select committee to inquire into the operation of the present act. Many representations of the most serious nature had been made to him with respect to the previous operation of the act. Sir George Clerk observed that they only intended by the present bill to renew the present act for two years, the period for which it had been renewed from time to time since its introduction in 1834. Of course, if the hon. Member thought it necessary, he might at a future time move for a committee to inquire into the operation of the law. Mr. B. Wood trusted his hon. Friend would not oppose the introduction of the bill. So far from its being of an injurious character, he had heard that the most beneficial results had flowed from the alteration of the old usury laws by the present act. Motion agreed to. House adjourned at a quarter to two o'clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, Monday, July 24, 1843. MINUTES.] NEW MEMBER SWORN.-The Lord Polwarth. BILLS. Public.-2. Schoolmasters Widows' Fund Validity. 3. and passed: -Scientific Societies. Private.-1 Burry Navigation. 2. Gorbal's Police; Infant Orphan Asylum; Rochdale and Manchester Roads; Cromford and Belper Roads. Reported.-Gilbert's (or Miller's) Estate; Tay Ferries. 3a and passed :-Great North of England, Clarence and Hartlepool Junction Railway; Dundee Harbour. PETITIONS PRESENTED. By the Earl of Ducie, from the Vale of Clwyd, (Denbigh) in favour of Free Trade, and for the Total and Immediate Repeal of the Corn Laws. BREACH OF PRIVILEGE - KENDAL GAZETTE.] Lord Brougham said he had given notice of a motion to bring to the Bar of the House the editor of a newspaper, who had accused a Member of their Lordships' House with having, for his own private views, brought in a bill. He had since received a letter from the individual, William Browne, which he had communicated to his noble Friend on the Woolsack, and other noble Lords, and that letter, coupled with the deep regret (which Mr. Browne had taken the earliest opportunity of publishing in his paper), induced him not to proceed. The writer said, that he had not the slighest intention of committing a breach of the privileges of that House; the article was inserted through inadvertence. He was most heartily sorry for the insertion, and he tendered his humble apology. Understanding, also, that Mr. Browne's circumstances were such, that the expenses of coming to Lon don would be ruinous to him, he would not make the motion of which he had given notice. Their Lordships adjourned. HOUSE OF COMMONS, MINUTES. Monday, July 24, 1843. BILLS. Public.-1 Ecclesiastical Jurisdic tion; Industrious Clesses; Stamps; West India Islands Relief; Excise; Loan Societies. 2o Slave Trade Treaties; Bills of Exchange; Militia Ballots Suspension; Stock in Trade; Episcopal Functions; Customs; Marriages (Ireland). Committed. Controverted Elections; Admiralty Lands. 3o and passed:-Public Works (Ireland); Fines and Penalties (Ireland); Court of Exchequer (Ireland). Private.-20. Fox's Estate, Reported. Bermondsey, Rotherhithe, and Deptford, Roads; Spalding and Deeping Roads. 3° and passed; Burry Navigation and Llanelly Harbour. PETITIONS PRESENTED.-By Lord Dalmeny, from Queen's Ferry, for Altering the Prisons (Scotland) Bill.-By Sir John Easthope, from Leicester, and Chepping Wycombe, in favour of the County Courts Bill.-By Mr. Fielden, from Huddersfield, and a number of other Places, in favour of a Ten Hours Bill.-By Lord Bernard, from three places in Cork county, against the Repeal Agitation. From Oldham, Merthyr Tydvil, and six other places, against the Factories Bill.-From places in Norfolk, for Amending the Beer Act.-From Cadogan Williams, Respecting Government Annuities. ARMS (IRELAND) BILL.] House in committee on the Arms (Ireland) Bill. On clause 56, "yeomanry to register their arms," Viscount Clements objected to this provision; he thought that these arms ought not to be registered. There were no means of knowing whether a man was a yeoman or not, and no such class should be recognised. If any of the former yeomanry had arms in their possession, they did not belong to those persons, but to the Government, and should be returned, therefore, to the Ordnance stores. All these men considered themselves totally irresponsible to the Government. Lord Eliot said, that all the official authorities acknowledged the existence of these corps, although they had not been called out for a long time. The clause was only similar in its provisions to one to be found in all previous Arms Bills. He could not conceive that they would be justified in calling upon the yeomanry to give up their arms. Clause agreed to. On clause 66, "Act to continue in force for It was originally proposed to fill the blank with the words "five years." To this Mr. W. Smith O'Brien objected, and the Government gave way so far as to offer to fill the blank with the words "two years, and from then until the end of the next Session of Parliament." Mr. W. Smith O'Brien, however, persisted in his amendment to fill up the blank with the words "one year." |