votes unduly entered for them; by which | whoever they might be, a great influence means they obtained a colourable majority over the debates of the House. He hoped, over the petitioners C. Wetherell and E. however, that members would still insist Kerrison, and have been unduly returned on the right they enjoyed in good old to serve for the said borough, and that, times, namely, that of making motions at the election aforesaid, certain voters whenever they thought proper, and with, were bribed to give their voices in favour out notice too. He, for one, would alof the said R. B. Robson and H. Gurney; ways claim that undoubted right, and al, and the said R. B. Robson and H. Gurney ways exercise it according to his discrewere guilty of divers acts of bribery and tion. treating, by themselves and agents, at such Lord Milion also protested against it as election, and gave, and promised to give, contrary to the usage of parliament, and by themselves, and agents on their behalf, as tending to cramp the proceedings of the rewards, provision, meat, drink and enter. House. tainment, to persons having voice at such The motion was then carried. election, in order to be elected to serve for the said borough in parliament; and by

Prince Regent's Speech On Opening such, and other undue and unlawful prac. The Session.) On the question that the tices, procured themselves to be returned Report of the Address, in answer to the as aforesaid; and praying, that the House Prince Regent's Speech on opening the will be pleased to take the premises into session, be brought up, consideration, and to declare the peti- Mr. Creedcy rose and observed, that tioners C. Wetherell and E. Kerrison duly more time ought to be allowed for the conelected, and that they ought to have been sideration of the many important topics returned for the said borough, or to give touched on in the Prince Regent's Speech, the petitioners such other relief as shall and especially the three wars in which we seem fit.”

were engaged, the policy of which he was Ordered to be taken into consideration not yet prepared to approve. The Speech upon the 9th of February next,

contained an omission, which was also,

in his view of the subject, very important. RESOLUTION 'RESPECTING ORDERS AND The Prince Regent had expressed his reliNotices.] Lord Castlereagh, pursuant to ance, that the House of Commons would notice, moved to revive the regulations furnish the supplies, but without at all adwhich had been adopted last session, re- verting to the perilous state of our finances specting the Orders of the Day entered in and commerce. That this was an unusual the book, and the Notices for Motions. and ill-advised proceeding, he referred to His lordship observed, that the business of some former Addresses to prove. Did the House had been much facilitated by set the ministers know nothing of the state of ting apart two days in the week, in which the finances, had they withheld all know. the Orders of the Day should have the pre- ledge of our commercial distresses from cedency of motions, without, however, de. the Prince Regent, or did they deny the priving any hon. member of the right of existence of such distresses? The House, calling the attention of the House to any he thought, would be better employed in subject he might think proper. The noble inquiring into the financial state of the lord moved in consequence, “That in this country than in voting the proposed Adpresent session of parliament all Orders of dress ; for it had been acknowledged by the Day, set down in the Order Book for the right hon. the Chancellor of the ExMondays and Fridays, shall be disposed chequer, and by a right hon. gentleman of before the House will proceed upon any of great financial knowledge, who unformotions of which Notices shall be entered tunately was not now a member of the in the Order Book."

House, (Mr. Tierney), that the present Mr. Whitbread observed, that this mo- system could not be persevered in, and as tion was couched in the same terms as a remedy the Chancellor of the Exche, that against which he had contended last quer's nostrum was, a tax on capital ! session. He did not mean, in consequence, How, in the present state of things, could to renew in the present instance the argu- they think of pledging themselves to the ments he had used on that occasion; but support of the war in the peninsula, on he would renew his protest against a novel its present scale? What he knew was, that measure, which, while it produced no our expences last year were 121 millions; manner of advantage, gave the ministers, that notwithstanding the resolutions of the

Chancellor of the Exchequer, which de- followed the operations of lord Wellingclared the paper money to be equal in ton, from the taking of that town. It was yalue to gold, the public annuitants had true, he had been compelled to retire from been robbed of one ihird of their incomes, before Burgos, and to evacuate Madrid, and that, not for the benefit of the public, but it was absurd to expect constant sucbut for the benefit of the Bank Company; cess in war; and he was sorry to observe, and then the effect of this system must be, that on all occasions, we were too prone the annihilation of all stock-holders. to be exalted or depressed beyond measure, These were his reasons for opposing the by success, or partial failures. The fact present Address.—The hon, member, after was, that the campaign so much blamed, having adverted to the parliamentary bad driven the French from a great part farce attending the opening of parliament of the western provinces of Spain, had

two well-dressed gentlemen coming forced them to evacuate the south, and to down to the House with speeches in their raise the siege of Cadiz, the capture of pockets; well-written essays or themes which they considered as of such imporproposed by ministers--concluded by tance in a military point of view, that moring as an amendment, that the Report they sat two years and a half before that be brought up this day s'ennight. place, regardless of every other advan

Mr. Fremantle further impressed upon iage they might have obtained by conthe House the necessity of inquiring into centrating their troops.--As to America, the present state of the public expenditure, he would venture to assert, that, as in the before the Report at the bar was agreed to. first instance no means were neglected of As to the general subject of the royal preserving peace, so it would appear that Speech, he was decidedly of opinion, that no exertions bad been wanting to proseour prospects at the present moment were cute the war when it was found inevitable. not nearly so bright as at the commence- Mr. Rose said, he wished to correct a ment of the last session of parliament. mistake of the hon. gentleman who had The war in which we had injudiciously moved the amendment-a mistake which plunged ourselves with America, was in no had occasioned much misconception out degree counterbalanced by the peace that of doors. His right hon. friend, ihe Chanhad been concluded with Russia. With cellor of the Exchequer, had never propose regard to the peninsula, he was persuaded ed a tax on capital, and from all the attenthat, by the battle of Salamanca we had tion which he himself had given to the gained nothing but glory, and that the subject, he was convinced, that such a tax freedom of Spain was no nearer in its ac. was altogether impracticable. A right complishment than when the marquis of reverend prelate (the bishop of Llandail) Wellington was posted at Torres Vedras. had indeed written a pamphlet on the At the same time that he disapproved of subject some years ago, but still, after the the Address, he acknowledged that he most mature consideration, he remained could not vote for the Amendment that satisfied of the impossibility and impracti. had been last night offered to supersede it, cability of such a tax. and which recommended propositions for Mr. Stuart Wortley deprecated the idea peace to the Prince Regent. He thought of making the miseries of the people the such a proposition coming from the House, grounds of suing for peace, as it would de. would inevitably defeat its own object, base the nation, raise the demands of the and lower the country in the eyes of the enemy, and abandon all the fruits of the enemy.

struggle in which so much money and sp Mr. Robinson was surprised that the much treasure had been lavished. Hava bon. gentleman who had just sat down, ing said thus much, he trusted, on the could have advanced that the late cam- other hand, that ministers would pay

due paign in the peninsula had left our affairs regard to the real sufferings of the people, in that quarter in a worse situation. This and not let any opportunity escape by gross error, into which many other ho- which they might procure a peace consisnourable gentlemen had fallen, arose from tent with the honour, safety, and interests their considering the campaign as begin of the country. ning at the battle of Salamanca, whereas, Lord Milion earnestly called upon the in fact, it had begun at the taking of House to reflect upon the ruinous tenCiudad Rodrigo; and this was the only dency of prosecuting the war with Amefair point of view in which it could be rica. He believed that the two govern. considered. The hon. gentleman then ments were decidedly hostile, while the


two nations were as decidedly pacific. | ately demand an abandonment of our He lamented to see the person at the head system of blockade, and a renunciation of the government guided so implicitly of the right of search. Could the noble by his enmity to the United States. This lord find any way to negociate with Amemight be a bold assertion, but he was rica without abandoning our rights; or not afraid to declare what he sincerely was he prepared to say that we ought to thought.

abandon them? With regard to the conMr. Stephen warmly resisted the state- cessions made to America by ministers, it ment of the noble lord, that there was any was a point on which he differed from irritation in the illustrious person at the them.-The hon. and learned gentleman head of the government towards the Ame- then entered into a detailed discussion of can people. The Speech delivered only the Orders in Council and our blockade yesterday contradicted the assertion, for system, and observed, that to exaggerated it breathed only a spirit of amity and con- statements of civil war and revolution ciliation.

among our manufacturers, might be attriLord Milton explained, that he had buted the concessions to America-and, been misunderstood; he had no such al- to those concessions, the present war. A lasion as the hon. and learned gentleman heavy responsibility attached to the real had imputed to him.

authors of this unnatural war between two Mr. Stephen resumed; he was satisfied countries united in origin, in language, that he had been mistaken, and that the and in manners, and who were, besides, noble lord did not mean what he had er. the only countries in the world where roneously attributed to him. He would civil liberty existed: but he saw no prose not enter into minute points, but he would pect of any peace consistent even with assert in opposition to the noble lord, that our existence, since the measure of Amean equal spirit of irritation did not prevail rican demands was determined by the in the two governments ; on the contrary, unjust and unlimited aggressions of a friendly disposition had ever been dis France. played by the government of Great Bri. Mr. Wilberforce deprecated any intentain. The statement of our wrongs was tion on the part of the House to call on not intended to_irritate, but to conciliate the ministers to pledge themselves to seek by conviction. For his own part, however peace, as such conduct would defeat the much he might be interested in the dis- object it professed to have in view. It cussion of the question of America, he would perhaps create a popular cry in entertained no personal feeling of irrita- the country for peace, and raise the detion, but the Orders in Council he had mand of those with whom we should have defended with his tongue and his pen to negociate. He did not doubt that the and he could appeal to authorities across ministers participated in the wishes of the the Atlantic, for testimonies of his mo- people, as they regarded peace; there

apderate and respectful language towards peared no disinclination on the part gothe government of America. Had the vernment to negociate, and as our prosnoble lord forgotten the language used to pects on the continent were now someMr. Erskine, when he, bearing conces- what better than heretofore, he hoped sions to them, was received with taunts, those prospects would not be blasted by instead of the terms of amity and conci- any premature solicitations on the part of liation? Had be forgotten the treatment the House. He knew of but one instance of Mr. Jackson, who was driven from the of a petition to the king to make peace, country without being permitted to wait being carried in that House, and in that for the instructions of his government ? instance it had been productive of more The noble lord must have a short memory, evil than good. if he did not recollect that the govern- Mr. Ponsonby, although he generally ment of America had declared, that they coincided with his hon. friend who was expected the treaty of Utrecht should be the mover of the present amendment, yet considered the maritime law of nations differed from him on this occasion. By a law that would render the navy of Engo receiving the report, the House by no land useless, except to guard her own means adopted the opinions contained in coast. When, by a fatal event, it became the Address; it was, therefore, unnecesprobable that the Orders in Council would sary to postpone its consideration : the be rescinded, did not America abandon Address was a natural consequence of the that ground of complaint, and immedi-Speech, and resembled a mere common


place letter, in which were a great num- one, then by another; at length up started ber of words of course, ending with “I the late Treasurer of the Navy, (Mr. Rose) have the honour to be, Sir, with the whom he might denominate the patriarch highest respect, your devoted humble of the Treasury Bench, and who chose to servant," when, in fact, the writer felt disclaim all idea of a tax on capital, which none of that respect and devotion of he threw upon a right reverend bishop, which he talked. To debate the Address, many hundred miles off. If it really was paragraph by paragraph, would take up the natural child of the right reverend preihe whole of the session. Many of the late, he thought it very hard to throw it topics treated of in the Address, would at his door, under such circumstances. require mature deliberation; and as to The hon. gentleman then proceeded to dethe Spanish war, he thought it would be tail the occurrences of his political life, best discussed when the Chancellor of the and repelled the attack made on him by Eschequer should come to the House for Mr. Stephen, whom he designated as the supplies.

author and supporter of the Orders in Lord Castlereagh agreed entirely with Council-he who eulogised them while the last speaker, but wished to correct a living, and lamented them when dead. statement made by an hon. and learned He stated, in reply to Mr. Wilberforce, gentleman, that the government of this that the petition for peace carried in that country had at any period conceded the House, was at the close of the American right of the Americans to insist on the re- war, wben the distressed manufacturers peal of the Orders in Council.

burst the doors of the House, and by a reMr. Whitbread wished to say a few cital of their distresses obtained the petiwords in reply to what had fallen from the tion. Mr. Burke was then the eloquent hon. and learned member opposite, and but unsuccessful advocate of peace-deaf also from the late member for Yorkshire, was the parliament !-deaf were the mi. who bad honoured him with the appella nisters ! -deaf was the prince !-that war, tion of friend. The hon. and learned so obstinately persevered in, ended in the gentleman opposite had informed them, independence of America, and its conse. that a day would be appointed for consi. quences were now visiting us. He denied dering the American question ; and as the that he was (as he had been characterised) hon. and learned gentleman had returned a man who wished to drag his country to to that House unchanged, he would ven- the feet of France, and asserted, that he ture to predict that it would not be a short had ever acted on principle, and during the day. The hon. and learned gentleman had whole course of the war had been the contold them, that he had employed his pen sistent advocate of peace. The hon. genand tongue in support of the Orders in tleman next adverted to the Amendment Council: his pen he had employed before which he had proposed on the preceding he entered parliament, and no doubt that evening, and which, he contended, had pen had gained him his seat; and that he been misunderstood; as it did not call on had used his tongue subsequently to his the Prince Regent to enter into an immebeing in parliament, the House could diate negociation for peace; but to cause abundantly testify. It appeared singular, an enquiry to be made as to the feelings however, that the hon. and learned gen- of the enemy on that point. He then tleman, who spoke on every subject, stated, in allusion to what fell from Mr. should have been silent the day that his Ponsonby on the preceding evening, the darling offspring, the Orders in Council, various occasions on which the subject of breathed their last; but so it was. He had negociations with France had been before heard that the marquis of Wellington had the House, and the conduct he bad puronce been employed to prevent a certain sued. Although he had delivered his opiright hon. doctor (Duigenan) from speak. nion on those occasions, he never had, being; and as he had observed a noble lord fore last night, submitted any specific proseated by the hon. and learned gentleman position on the question. But now, when during the debate to which he alluded, he be saw an opportunity occur most favourhad no doubt that his employment was able for this country, and when he saw no precisely similar to that of the noble mar- manifestation in the speech from the quis. He had been very anxious to hear throne, of a desire to seize that opportuthe right hon. the Chancellor of the Ex. nity, he conceived it right that parliament chequer; but as often as he had attempted should interfere. They must all recollect, to rise, he had been prevented, first by that the speeches from the throne during

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the last 20 years, contained, in general, a | lieved, that was all that could be said. As passage, expressive of a desire to conclude partisans, they might do mischief to the a peace with France, and with all the enemy, and he was afraid they also an i world, if it could be procured on terms noyed the population themselves; but to commensurate with the safety and dignity look to them for any great effort, if the of the country. But now there was a total English army were removed, was to ensilence on that point; and he wished to courage a vain imagination, in which there prevent that bare and naked exposition of was no hope. Buonaparte was at present ? the state of the country,—he wished to in a perilous situation, and every exertion prevent those distresses which the war ought to be made, by taking advantage of had, and must continue to produce,-being it, to procure a peace. But a feeling. I blazoned throughout Europe; he wished seemed to pervade the minds of certain to save the country from being placed in persons, that a peace should not be cona similar situation to that in which she had cluded with that mana feeling which he been plunged by the repeal of the Orders wished to eradicate from this country; for, m in Council, when it was too late and this in the probable course of events, we should could only be effected by a timely pacifi- be obliged to make peace with him. Let cation. No man was more ready than him, then, be sent to, openly and manhimself to endure privations for the public fully; the fate of the mission would be good; no man would feel more repug- speedily known; and the issue would be, o nance in endeavouring to prevent the peo- a conviction on the minds of every one, ple from making any sacrifice which whether a permanent and honourable tended to uphold the honour of the coun- peace could be procured or not. try; but when he saw the government The Chancellor of the Exchequer wished placed in bands which his right hon. friend to make a few observations on what had (Mr. Ponsonby) was not himself disposed fallen from some of the preceding speakers. to support—when he saw a government An hon. gentleman had alluded to the expossessing power, but without confidence penditure of 1809. In that year, the bills --when he saw the infatuation which pre- drawn from the peninsula on this country vailed in the country, from the period of amounted to 2,800,000l. In the present Mr. Fox's motion, in 1793, for opening a year they amounted to 11,500,0001. So negociation with France, down to the pre- much for the comparative expenditure of sent hour,-he thought he acted correctly the war during these two years; and so in endeavouring to check the evil. He much in answer to those who imagined wished the Prince Regent to be informed that government had not made the most of the true state of the country, before strenuous exertions in support of the war fresh exactions were placed on the people, in the peninsula. In answer to the asserthat measures might be devised to prevent tion of an hon. gentleman (Mr. Creerey) their necessity. Many opportunities would who said he had read all the king's occur for the consideration of the Spanish speeches to parliament, and that in all of question. He agreed with the hon. gen. them mention was made of the commerce tleman (Mr. Robinson) as to the improved and revenue of the country, he would situation of our army on the peninsula mention that in the years 1809 and 1807, now, compared with what it was at the end no reference whatever was made to the of the last campaign. But, when he spoke state of the revenue or commerce. With of the importance of raising the siege of respect to the allusions to a tax on capital, Cadiz, and of the retreat of Caffarelli, a which he was said to have announced, he question arose, which every Englishman begged leave to recommend to the attenwas anxious to ask; “What has Spain tion of the hon. gentleman who charged done ;" To answer this, circumstances him with this, the treatise of Dean Swift must be noticed, which one would fain on Political Lying. He never declared forget. Let us look to lord Wellington's that a tax on capital was to be proposed. gazetted account of the battle of Sala. All that be said was, that such a measure manca, We there find units, tens, hun had been resorted to in other countries; dreds, and thousands of slain and wounded, in Holland, Switzerland and Hamburgh on each side e; while the Spanish loss is for example, and that be believed it might reduced to six! He should be glad to have be practicable in this country; but he this circumstance properly explained. stated, that he was far from thinking that Lord Wellington had spoken of the Gue- we had arrived at such an emergency as tillas as being very active; and, he be made this scheme necessary here. AR

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