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APPROPRIATION BILL FOR 1943

HEARINGS

BEFORE THE

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SUBCOMMITTEE OF THE

COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

SEVENTY-SEVENTH CONGRESS

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COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS

CLARENCE CANNON, Missouri, Chairman

CLIFTON A. WOODRUM, Virginia
LOUIS LUDLOW, Indiana
MALCOLM C. TARVER, Georgia
JED JOHNSON, Oklahoma

J. BUELL SNYDER, Pennsylvania
EMMET O'NEAL, Kentucky
GEORGE W. JOHNSON, West Virginia
JAMES G. SCRUGHAM, Nevada
JAMES M. FITZPATRICK, New York
LOUIS C. RABAUT, Michigan
DAVID D. TERRY, Arkansas
JOHN M. HOUSTON, Kansas
JOE STARNES, Alabama

ROSS A. COLLINS, Mississippi
CHARLES H. LEAVY, Washington
JOSEPH E. CASEY, Massachusetts
JOHN H. KERR, North Carolina
GEORGE H. MAHON, Texas
HARRY R. SHEPPARD, California
BUTLER B. HARE, South Carolina
HARRY P. BEAM, Illinois

JOHN TABER, New York

RICHARD B. WIGGLESWORTH, Massachusetts
WILLIAM P. LAMBERTSON, Kansas

D. LANE POWERS, New Jersey
J. WILLIAM DITTER, Pennsylvania
ALBERT E. CARTER, California
ROBERT F. RICH, Pennsylvania
CHARLES A. PLUMLEY, Vermont
EVERETT M. DIRKSEN, Illinois
ALBERT J. ENGEL, Michigan
KARL STEFAN, Nebraska

FRANCIS H. CASE, South Dakota
FRANK B. KEEFE, Wisconsin
NOBLE J. JOHNSON, Indiana
ROBERT F. JONES, Ohio

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INTERIOR DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION BILL, 1943

HEARINGS CONDUCTED BY THE SUBCOMMITTEE: MESSRS. JED JOHNSON (CHAIRMAN), JAMES G. SCRUGHAM, JAMES M. FITZPATRICK, CHARLES H. LEAVY, HARRY R. SHEPPARD, ROBERT F. RICH, ALBERT E. CARTER, AND ROBERT F. JONES OF THE COMMITTEE ON APPROPRIATIONS, HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, IN CHARGE OF THE INTERIOR DEPARTMENT APPROPRIATION BILL FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 1942, ON THE DAYS FOLLOWING, NAMELY:

TUESDAY, MARCH 3, 1942.

BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS

STATEMENTS OF JOHN COLLIER, COMMISSIONER, WILLIAM ZIMMERMAN, JR., ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER, WALTER V. WOEHLKE, ACTING DIRECTOR, RESOURCES BRANCH, W. BARTON GREENWOOD, ACTING DIRECTOR, ADMINISTRATIVE BRANCH, J. C. McCASKILL, ACTING DIRECTOR, PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT BRANCH, MRS. LUCY ADAMS, ACTING DIRECTOR, COMMUNITY SERVICES BRANCH, A. L. WATHEN, ACTING DIRECTOR, ENGINEERING BRANCH, J. M. STEWART, DIRECTOR OF LANDS, L. D. ARNOLD, DIRECTOR OF FORESTRY, A. C. COOLEY, DIRECTOR OF EXTENSION, CLAY H. SOUTHWORTH, ACTING DIRECTOR OF IRRIGATION, W. W. BEATTY, DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION, PAUL L. FICKINGER, ASSOCIATE DIRECTOR OF EDUCATION, J. R. McGIBONY, DIRECTOR OF HEALTH, L. W. WHITE, ASSISTANT DIRECTORY OF HEALTH, H. M. CRITCHFIELD, SUPERVISOR OF CREDIT, E. A. POYNTON, DIRECTOR OF CONSTRUCTION, FRED H, DAIKER, ACTING DIRECTOR, WELFARE DIVISION, AND E. J. SKIDMORE, PERSONNEL OFFICER

Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. The committee will next consider the items under the Office of Indian Affairs. We have with us Commissioner Collier, Assistant Commissioner Zimmerman, and one or two others including Mr. Greenwood, the very efficient finance officer. Mr. Commissioner, would you like to make a brief general statement to the committee, as is your custom?

GENERAL STATEMENT

Commissioner COLLIER. I do not think I need say much more than that the Budget estimate which comes to you represents an enormous cut in our funds.

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Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. How much is the total decrease?
Commissioner COLLIER. $4,913,000.

Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Then I assume that the Indian Service has heard of the present war and that it is not trying to do business as usual as seems to be the case with at least some departments and agencies of Government. You recognize, I assume, the fact America is in the throes of a death struggle and are cooperating to the fullest in the war effort.

Commissioner COLLIER. We are cooperating in the war effort.

Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Just how are you cooperating? By your voluntary action in suggesting severe cuts in your appropriations? Commissioner COLLIER. There were two cuts. The Budget imposed a cut of about $2,000,000. Then after Pearl Harbor the Budget was told to cut again, and in the second instance they gave us the privilege of suggesting what we would give up.

Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Did you and your associates sit in with the Budget on those cuts?

Commissioner COLLIER. Yes, and as a matter of fact, they did in the first instance. The Budget was very considerate of us. Now we are endeavoring to keep the essential things not only alive but operating efficiently.

We are taking on a great many new things in support of defense work which were not appropriated for. I would say that we are expecting to do and will do more work on this diminishing sum. We have to do it, and the cuts thus far made are not cuts that destroy anything that is in a sense organic or vital. We fear that if the cuts were made still deeper then irreparable burt might be caused. I do not think I need to say any more at this time, Mr. Johnson.

Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. I have mentioned that Mr. Zimmerman, the Assistant Commissioner, is present. Do you wish to make a brief statement, Mr. Zimmerman?

Mr. ZIMMERMAN. No, I do not think so, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. We also have present Mr. Greenwood again this year. You are the finance officer, Mr. Greenwood?

Mr. GREENWOOD. I am finance officer of the Indian Office, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. How long have you been finance officer?

Mr. GREENWOOD. About 31⁄2 years. I have been in the Indian Service approximately 20 years.

Mr. JOHNSON of Oklahoma. Do you have any tables at this time to insert in the record?

Mr. GREENWOOD. Yes, sir, we have several tables that we customarily submit for the record. The first is a detailed statement of the tribal funds as of January 1, 1942.

(The statement referred to was filed with committee.)

STATEMENT OF ALLOTMENTS TO INDIAN SERVICE FROM EMERGENCY

FUNDS

Mr. GREENWOOD. We also have a statement of allotments to the Indian Service from emergency funds.

(The statement referred to is as follows:)

Submarginal land purchases (Administration).

Allotments to Indian Service from emergency funds as of Mar. 1, 1942

Emergency conservation work (Civilian Conservation Corps, Indian

Division)

Public Works projects..

Civil Works Administration_.

Indian relief and rehabilitation_.

Miscellaneous:

Submarginal land purchases (expended by Re

settlement Administration)

$75, 787, 423

35, 614, 300

1, 922, 250 7,950, 770

$3,537, 433

Purebred cattle purchased and given to Indians_
Purchase sheep and goats (Navajo) -

140, 616

800, 000

200, 000

Subsistence homesteads_

80, 000

Work Projects Administration grant for improveing land records..

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Total emergency funds..

126, 124, 075

STATEMENT OF REIMBURSABLE DEBTS CANCELED

Mr. GREENWOOD. We also have a statement of the reimbursable debts canceled.

(The statement referred to is as follows:)

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H. Doc. 202 (72d Cong.), Jan. 2, 1934, tribal herds and industrial equipment__.

H. Doc. 207 (74th Cong.), Dec. 1, 1934:

Domestic and stock water development

Water, miscellaneous surveys, and investigations.
Irrigation__.

Industrial advancement_

Letter, Jan. 8, 1937 (unprinted): Industrial advancement___
Letter, Jan. 18, 1938 (unprinted): Industrial advancement__
Letter, Jan. 13, 1939 (unprinted): Industrial advancement__
Letter, Jan. 26, 1940 (unprinted): Industrial advancement..
Letter, Feb. 13, 1941 (unprinted): Industrial advancement__

Total__

870, 353. 53 116, 970. 00 2, 128, 146. 08

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Mr. GREENWOOD. We also have a statement of the miscellaneous revenues, other than trust funds, deposited in the Treasury during the fiscal year 1941.

(The statement referred to is as follows:)

Miscellaneous revenues, other than trust funds, deposited in the Treasury during the fiscal year 1941

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