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sonally every man fit to be a judge of either of our higher courts; and let us have the confidence to suppose that any individual who will be put into that place will make a judicious selection. The selection may be no better, perhaps not so good, as the people would make, but if it is as good, or nearly as good, will it not be safer to leave it there and try it until we can see whether our new system works well elsewhere? But, I declare, that when there is no existing evil or abuse which needs a remedy, when there is no necessity to make an experiment, under existing circumstances, I choose to wait and see how the system works in other places, and rely upon the wisdom of the court, and upon that of the executive, who is in a position to gain all the information he may need to enable him to fill up such vacancies as may occur. For these reasons, I feel constrained to vote against every proposition which is about to touch the judiciary of the Commonwealth.

Mr. HALLETT. There are seven minutes left before the question must be taken, and I desire to occupy them for the simple purpose of giving my testimony, as a member of the bar, against what I regard as an anomaly in our institutions, a life tenure of office to any subject of the Commonwealth. While, at the same time, I have expressed myself here, and continue to express myself, in favor of leaving the present mode of judicial appointments as it stands in the Constitution, because it is not now expedient to change it, and also because it being done by the annual agents of the people it is only one remove from the mode of appointment by the people themselves; yet I desire to say, as a member of the bar, and one who has had some little experience in this matter of a judiciary independent of the people, that, in my judgment, if there is any one correction important to be infused into the fundamental law of this Commonwealth, in order to make it republican, in order to make it harmonious with all other institutions and agencies where the people govern, and in order to dispense justice impartially and courteously, as well as wisely, it is that you should limit the life tenure of your judges.

Sir, the eloquent gentleman who addressed us this morning, (Mr. Choate,) and with whom I agree on the subject of the appointment, and disagree on the subject of the tenure,-referred us, as if it were an authority, to the opinions of Alexander Hamilton, which I find, on examination, are given in the Federalist, No. 78, where, in 1788, he advocated the life tenure of the judges of the United States Court. I do not accept Mr. Hamilton as an authority on republican govern

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ment, and yet it may be well to recollect that afterwards, in 1804, the same Alexander Hamilton, as an advocate, defended Harry Croswell in a prosecution of "The People vs. Croswell,” for a libel upon Thomas Jefferson, and maintained the right to give the truth in justification. And it was on that occasion that Alexander Hamilton said, very differently from what he said in the "Federalist," that it was only by the abuse of the forms of justice that this people could ever be enslaved. "An army," said he, "can never destroy our liberty. It is to be subverted only by a pretence of adhering to all the forms of law, and yet breaking down the substance of our liberties."

And no judiciary could ever usurp arbitrary power, or break down our liberties by subverting laws and Constitution, through false interpretations, except by judges holding office for life, irresponsible to the people.

That was Mr. Hamilton's sound conviction and after-thought, when he was practising at the bar; and that is the conviction very often wonderfully enforced-much oftener than openly expressed-on the minds of members of the bar when engaged in practise before our courts. That eminent counsellor may not have felt this so much as others have, and yet I think he has felt it.

On another point, the learned gentleman inquired if there was any want of integrity in the judges? Let me answer that at once. No, Sir. There is no doubt about the integrity of the present judges. But the question is not present personal character, but the principle of life tenure in a democratic government.

Again, the gentleman asks, Is there any doubt about their ability? No, there is no doubt of that, as a general proposition. But neither honesty nor ability entitle men to hold office for life.

I wanted to ask him one other thing, which he omitted; is there courtesy in the judges? and the gentleman might have answered that, from observation, at least, if not experience. Now, Sir, I say forcibly, I want to give to our judiciary the grace of courtesy; I want not only to have the fortiter in re, but I also want the suaviter in modo; and where are you to get it? Only in the creation of a future bench without a life tenure, and whose periodical reappointment shall lie in the power of the people.

Sir, when I was a student at law, I remember to have heard said what I have never forgotten, by a very eminent professor of that day, Mr. Ashmun, one of the first professors of the Law School at Cambridge, when he had been contemplating some of these evils that grow out of an

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irresponsible judiciary—“ give me” said he, “a court for the correction of errors, if it be but a body of selectmen!" And so say I; give me accountability; give me some body behind your judges, if it be but a town council or a board of selectmen, who can somewhere at sometime or other say that the hour of accountability has come. The gentleman cited Hamilton for life tenure. I prefer the opinion of Thomas Jefferson, who, in his letter to Mr. Kircheval, July 12, 1812, upon the subject of an independent judiciary, in answer to one of these old, worn out arguments about the appointment of judges for life, in England, to make them independent of the crown, said that this was an argument that an American lawyer should never utter in an American assembly; because, the question of dependence was entirely different where the appointing and removing power was in the hands of an hereditary executive, like a king,-then it was a great point gained to have the office continue for life, "but in a government founded on the public will, this principle [of life tenure] operates in an opposite direction, against that will."

The reason changes, for, says he, while in England they make the judges independent of the king, here by appointing them during life "you make the judges dependent on none but themselves!" There is the difference, Mr. President. Our judges with life tenures are dependent upon nobody but themselves; and that enables them to be independent of what? Not only independent of the people, but independent of good manners; independent, if they choose to be, of their own consciences and convictions; independent of any errors which they may make in judgment; independent of the grossest partiality, in fact of everything but crime, while they may be dependent upon, and may, unconsciously and honestly yield to the political and social influences that surround them-these cliques, these clubs, those circles that are drawn around them as men and politicians before they are judges, and under the influence of which they go upon the bench. They may be perfectly honest, I have no doubt of that, and yet they are imbued with the atmosphere of local and social sentiment, and interest, and they find it, the best and purest of them, in giving opinions upon religious freedom and similar matters, very much as the distinguished jurist who preceded me in this argument, (Judge Morton,) found it, when he was on the bench. I refer to a grave question of religious freedom, wherein that local and social influence was so strong upon him that he found him

* Commonwealth es. Kneeland, 20 Pickering, 206.

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self constrained, although he gave his opinion right, to give his judgment wrong; and therefore, and for all that I have said, and much more I might say, give me accountability in the judges by at least periodical returns to private life.

Mr. Hallett here yielded the floor at the request of Mr. MORTON, of Taunton, who moved that the vote be reconsidered by which the hour of four o'clock was assigned for taking the question, and that it be fixed at ten o'clock to-morrow morning, remarking that, as was apt to be the case, he had consumed so much time himself, that he had deprived others who wished to be heard, of an opportunity to speak.

Mr. BUTLER, of Lowell. I would inquire if the gentleman from Taunton is one of those who voted with the majority.

The PRESIDENT. The rules of this Convention do not require that. The hour has arrived, at which the Convention has ordered the question to be taken.

Mr. BUTLER. I hope that the motion to reconsider will not prevail. This matter has another stage to pass through, and while it is not so important that we should have farther discussion now, I think it is important, for various reasons that I might suggest, that we should come to a vote. At the present time I think the most important thing which this Convention can do is to vote and go home.

Mr. HALLETT. I trust that the Convention will not, from any considerations personal to myself, reconsider this motion. I should much rather prefer that they would bring this matter to a close now, than that they should, out of mere courtesy to me, extend the time beyond what is necessary in order that the vote may be taken understandingly.

The question was taken on the motion to reconsider the order, and it was not agreed to. The Convention proceeded to vote upon the pending question.

The question being upon the amendment of the gentleman from Fall River, to the amendment reported from the Committee, the yeas and nays were taken, with the following result-yeas, 101; nays, 226:

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Butler, Benjamin F.
Case, Isaac
Chapin, Daniel E.
Childs, Josiah

Clarke, Alpheus B.
Clark, Henry
Cleverly, William
Cole, Sumner
Crane, George B.
Cushman, Henry W.
Cushman, Thomas
Davis, Ebenezer
Davis, Isaac

Day, Gilman

Dean, Silas
Duncan, Samuel
Fisk, Lyman
Fitch, Ezekiel W.
Foster, Abram
French, Charles A.
French, Rodney
French, Samuel
Frothingham, R'd, Jr.
Gooding, Leonard
Griswold, Josiah W.
Griswold, Whiting
Hapgood, Lyman W.
Hawkes, Stephen E.
Holder, Nathaniel
Hood, George
Hooper, Foster
Hoyt, Henry K.
Jacobs, John

Kingman, Joseph
Knowlton, J. S. C.
Knowlton, William H.
Knox, Albert
Lawrence, Luther
Lawton, Job G., Jr.
Leland, Alden

Mason, Charles

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YEAS

Morss, Joseph B.
Morton, William S.
Nayson, Jonathan
Nichols, William
Norton, Alfred
Nute, Andrew T.
Orne, Benjamin S.
Osgood, Charles
Parris, Jonathan
Partridge, John
Perkins, Daniel A.
Perkins, Noah C.
Phelps, Charles
Pool, James M.
Rawson, Silas
Richardson, Daniel
Rogers, John
Royce, James C.
Sanderson, Chester
Simmons, Perez
Simonds, John W.
Sprague, Melzar
Spooner, Samuel W.
Stacy, Eben H.
Stevens, Joseph L., Jr.
Sumner, Charles
Taft, Arnold
Thayer, Willard, 2d
Tilton, Abraham
Upham, Charles W.
Weston, Gershom B.
White, George
Whitney, Daniel S.
Whitney, James S.
Wilbur, Joseph
Williams, J. B.
Wilson, Willard
Wood, Charles C.
Wood, Otis
Wood, William H.
Wright, Ezekiel

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Crittenden, Simeon
Crockett, George W.
Cross, Joseph W.
Crowninshield, F. B.
Cummings, Joseph
Curtis, Wilbur
Cutler, Simeon N.
Dana, Richard H., Jr.
Davis, Charles G.
Davis, John

Davis, Solomon
Dehon, William
Deming, Elijah S.
Dennison, Hiram S.
Denton, Augustus
Doane, James C.
Dunham, Bradish
Eames, Philip
Earle, John M.
Easland, Peter
Eaton, Lilley
Edwards, Elisha
Edwards, Samuel
Ely, Joseph M.
Ely, Homer
Eustis, William T.
Farwell, A. G.
Fay, Sullivan
Fellows, James K.
Fiske, Emery
Foster, Aaron
Fowle, Samuel
Fowler, Samuel P.
Freeman, James M.
French, Charles H.
Gale, Luther
Gardner, Johnson
Gates, Elbridge
Gilbert, Wanton C.
Gilbert, Washington
Giles, Charles G.
Giles, Joel
Goulding, Dalton
Graves, John W.
Gray, John C.
Green, Jabez
Greenleaf, Simon
Hadley, Samuel P.
Hale, Artemas
Hale, Nathan
Hall, Charles B.
Hallett, B. F.
Hammond, A. B.

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Hobbs, Edwin
Howard, Martin
Hubbard, William J.
Hunt, William
Huntington, Asahel
Hurlburt, Samuel A.
Hurlbut, Moses C.
James, William
Jenkins, John
Johnson, John
Kellogg, Giles C.
Kendall, Isaac
Kimball, Joseph

Kinsman, Henry W.

Knight, Hiram

Knight, Jefferson

Knight, Joseph

Knowlton, Charles L.

Kuhn, George H.
Ladd, Gardner P.
Ladd, John S.
Lincoln, Abishai
Lincoln, Fred. W., Jr.
Littlefield, Tristram
Livermore, Isaac
Lothrop, Samuel K.
Loud, Samuel P.
Lowell, John A.
Marble, William P.
Marcy, Laban
Marvin, Abijah P.
Marvin, Theophilus R.
Miller, Seth, Jr.
Moore, James M.
Morey, George

Morton, Elbridge G.
Morton, Marcus
Morton, Marcus, Jr.
Newman, Charles
Noyes, Daniel
Ober, Joseph E.
Oliver, Henry K.
Orcutt, Nathan
Paige, James W.
Paine, Benjamin
Paine, Henry

Parker, Adolphus G.
Parker, Joel

Parsons, Samuel C.

Parsons, Thomas A.
Peabody, Nathaniel
Pease, Jeremiah, Jr.

Penniman, John
Perkins, Jesse

Hathaway, Elnathan P. Pomroy, Jeremian

Hapgood, Seth

Harmon, Phineas

Phinney, Sylvanus B.

Haskins, William

Plunkett, William C.

Hayden, Isaac

Powers, Peter

Hayward, George

Preston, Jonathan

Heard, Charles

Prince, F. O.

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Putnam, John A.
Rantoul, Robert
Reed, Sampson

Rice, David

Richardson, Nathan

Richardson, Samuel H.

Rockwood, Joseph M.

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ABSENT-HALLETT· - BUTLER — BATES

Viles, Joel

Vinton, George A.

Walcott, Samuel B.
Wales, Bradford L.
Wallis, Freeland
Walker, Amasa
Walker, Samuel
Ward, Andrew H.
Warner, Marshal
Warner, Samuel, Jr.
Waters, Asa H.
Weeks, Cyrus
Wetmore, Thomas
White, Benjamin
Wilder, Joel
Wilkins, John H.
Wilkinson, Ezra
Wilson, Henry
Wilson, Milo
Winn, Jonathan B.
Winslow, Levi M.
Woods, Josiah B.

ABSENT.

Huntington, George H.
Hyde, Benjamin D.
Ide, Abijah M., Jr.
Jackson, Samuel

Banks, Nathaniel P., Jr. Jenks, Samuel H.

Barrett, Marcus

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Keyes, Edward L.
Langdon, Wilber C.
Little, Otis
Loomis, E. Justin
Lord, Otis P.
Meader, Reuben
Mixter, Samuel
Monroe, James L.
Nash, Hiram
Packer, E. Wing
Park, John G.
Parker, Samuel D.
Payson, Thomas E.
Peabody, George
Perkins, Jonathan C.
Pierce, Henry
Read, James
Richards, Luther
Ring, Elkanah, Jr.
Rockwell, Julius
Sampson, George R.
Sheldon, Luther
Sherman, Charles
Souther, John
Stevenson, J. Thomas
Strong, Alfred L.

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So the amendment to the amendment was rejected.

The question recurred on the amendment reported from the Committee of the Whole.

Mr. HALLETT, for Wilbraham, moved to amend by striking out the words, "but in no case to continue in office after attaining seventy years of age."

The question was taken, and upon a division, there were ayes, 148; nays, 98.

So the amendment was adopted.

Mr. BUTLER, of Lowell, moved to amend by striking out "ten" and inserting "seven." The question was taken, and by ayes 88, noes 180, the amendment was rejected.

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Mr. BATES, of Plymouth, moved to amend by striking out the following words: "Said justices to be ineligible to reappointment.”

The amendment did not prevail.

The question recurred upon concurring in the amendment reported by the Committee.

Mr. BIRD, of Walpole, moved that when the question was taken upon the amendment, it be taken by yeas and nays.

The motion was agreed to, and the yeas and nays were ordered.

Mr. COLE, of Cheshire, moved to amend by adding, after the word " appointed," the words by the governor of the Commonwealth by and with the concurrence of the Senate."

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Cross, Joseph W.
Cushman, Henry W.
Cushman, Thomas
Davis, Charles G.
Davis, Ebenezer

Davis, Isaac

Day, Gilman
Dean, Silas

Deming, Elijah S.
Denton, Augustus
Duncan, Samuel
Dunham, Bradish
Earle, John M.
Easland, Peter
Edwards, Elisha
Ely, Joseph M.
Fay, Sullivan
Fellows, James K.
Fisk, Lyman
Fitch, Ezekiel W.
Foster, Abram
Fowle, Samuel
Freeman, James M.
French, Rodney
French, Samuel
Frothingham, R., Jr.

Giles, Charles G.

Giles, Joel

Graves, John W.
Green, Jabez

Griswold, Josiah W.
Griswold, Whiting
Hadley, Samuel P.
Hallett, B. F.

Hapgood, Lyman W.

Hapgood, Seth

Haskins, William

Hayden, Isaac

Heath, Ezra, 2d

YEAS

Moore, James M.
Morton, Elbridge G.
Morton, Marcus, Jr.
Morton, William S.
Nash, Hiram

Newman, Charles
Nichols, William
Norton, Alfred
Ober, Joseph E.
Orne, Benjamin S.
Osgood, Charles
Paine, Benjamin
Paine, Henry
Parsons, Samuel C.
Partridge, John
Penniman, John
Perkins, Noah C.
Phelps, Charles
Phinney, Silvanus B.
Pool, James M.
Rawson, Silas
Rice, David

Richardson, Daniel
Richardson, Nathan
Richardson, Samuel H.
Ross, David S.
Royce, James C.
Sanderson, Amasa
Sanderson, Chester
Sherril, John
Simonds, John W.
Smith, Matthew
Stacy, Eben H.
Stevens, Granville
Stevens, Joseph L., Jr.
Stevens, William
Stiles, Gideon

Hathaway, Elnathan P. Sumner, Charles

Hewes, William H.
Howard, Martin
Hoyt, Henry K.

Hurlbut, Moses C.

Taft, Arnold

Thayer, Joseph
Thayer, Willard, 2d
Tilton, Horatio W.
Turner, David P.
Viles, Joel

Vinton, George A.
Wallis, Freeland
Walker, Amasa
Ward, Andrew H.

Knowlton, William H. Warner, Marshal

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NAYS.

Ballard, Alvah
Barrows, Joseph
Barrett, Marcus
Blagden, George W.
Bliss, Gad O.
Bliss, William C.
Braman, Milton P.
Breed, Hiram N.
Brewster, Osmyn
Brinley, Francis
Briggs, George N.
Brownell, Frederick
Bullock, Rufus
Bumpus Cephas C.
Burlingame, Anson
Butler, Benjamin F.
Cady, Henry
Carter, Timothy W.
Carruthers, William
Chandler, Amariah
Chapin, Chester W.
Choate, Rufus
Churchill, J. McKean
Coggin, Jacob
Cogswell, Nathaniel
Cole, Lansing J.
Cole, Sumner
Conkey, Ithamar
Cook, Charles E.
Copeland, Benjamin F.
Crittenden, Simeon
Crockett, George W.
Crowninshield, F. B.
Cummings, Joseph
Curtis, Wilber
Dana, Richard H., Jr.
Davis, John
Davis, Solomon
Dehon, William
Denison, Hiram S.
Doane, James C.
Eames, Philip
Eaton, Lilley
Edwards, Samuel
Ely, Homer

Eustis, William T.
Farwell, A. G.
Fiske, Emery
Foster, Aaron
Fowler, Samuel P.
French, Charles A.
French, Charles H.
Gale, Luther
Gates, Elbridge
Gilbert, Wanton C.
Gilbert, Washington
Goulding, Dalton
Gray, John C.
Greenleaf, Simon
Hale, Artemas
Hale, Nathan
Hammond, A. B.
Harmon, Phineas
Hawkes, Stephen E.
Hayward, George
Heard, Charles
Henry, Samuel

Hersey, Henry

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Hewes, James

Hillard, George S.

Hinsdale, William
Hobbs, Edwin
Holder, Nathaniel
Hood, George
Hubbard, William J.
Hunt, William
Huntington, Asahel
Hurlburt, Samuel A.
James, William
Jenkins, John
Johnson, John
Kellogg, Giles C.
Kendall, Isaac
Kinsman, Henry W.
Knight, Joseph
Knowlton, Charles L.
Knowlton, J. S. C.
Kuhn, George H.
Ladd, John S.
Lincoln, F. W., Jr.
Livermore, Isaac
Lord, Otis P.

Lothrop, Samuel K.
Loud, Samuel P.

Lowell, John A.

Marvin, Theophilus R.
Miller, Seth, Jr.
Morey, George
Morss, Joseph B.
Morton, Marcus
Nayson, Jonathan
Noyes, Daniel
Nute, Andrew T.
Oliver, Henry K.
Orcutt, Nathan
Paige, James W.
Parker, Adolphus G.
Parker, Joel
Parsons, Thomas A.
Peabody, Nathaniel
Pease, Jeremiah, Jr.
Perkins, Jesse
Plunkett, William C.
Pomroy, Jeremiah
Preston, Jonathan
Prince, F. O.
Putnam, George
Putnam, John A.
Rantoul, Robert
Reed, Sampson

Rockwood, Joseph M.
Rogers, John
Sargent, John
Schouler, William
Sikes, Chester
Sleeper, John S.
Sprague, Melzar
Stevens, Charles G.
Storrow, Charles S.
Taylor, Ralph

Tileston, Edmund P.
Turner, David

Tyler, William

Upham, Charles W.

Upton, George B.

Walcott, Samuel B.

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